Monday, September 24, 2007

Say what?

At the Press Conference this afternoon, Jon Bruno was asked by the New York Times about the fact that same sex unions go on in his diocese. He insisted that it didn't happen in his diocese or with his permission.


From StandFirm:

NYT: "It [same-sex blessings] happens on the diocesan level, you know that ..."

Bruno: "It does not happen in my diocese with my permission"

Here's the photo of their wedding. From Malcolm Boyd's website:

Malcolm Boyd with Mark Thompson following the blessing of their union by Bishop J. Jon Bruno of Los Angeles in the Cathedral Center of St. Paul on May 16, 2004. This occurred on the twentieth anniversary of their life partnership.

You can see Bishop Bruno in the back of the photo. See the original here.

Chip Webb writes on the topic here. He links to a blessing that occurred in Jon Bruno's diocese just this past Saturday at All Saints Beverly Hills here at the New York Times. Gabriel Ferrer, husband of Debbie Boone (of You Light Up My Life and Daughter of Pat fame), officiated. Bruno said he knew nothing about it. And also said he doesn't read the New York Times.

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

Somebody grab a fire extinguisher quick, the bishop's pants are on fire.

Anonymous said...

Hey - be easy on the bishop. He must not have given himself permission - technically speaking of course.

Anonymous said...

Now, now. He was answering the statement that it took place, "all the time." His answer was not in his diocese without permission. But it's much more fun to call the enemy a liar, isn't it.

heartafire said...

Hahahahahahaha....

He IS such a "liar, liar, pants on fire," and absolutely the most artful kind.
[Every REALLY good liar knows that you have to have at least a snippet of truth in your lie to leaven it.]

Very nicely done, Bruno...

and very nicely said above, Anonymous.

kc said...

bb,
are you telling us that Pat Boone's son-in-law officiated at a same-sex union?!?
Good heavens, we really are at the point of no return!

kc

Anonymous said...

One wonders if he is referring to post GC 2006 in his diocese.

Padre Wayne said...

Yes, that could be true, Anon. The blessing of Boyd+ and Thompson; I believe that +Jon has bent over backwards to honor the mind of the HOB and B033 since 2006. RE: "with my permission," it is quite possible that he had previously advised his clergy that they did not need to seek his permission to conduct SSBs -- indicating a level of trust of the clergy to be pastorally responsive.

Therefore:
1) He has not himself performed a SSB since GC;
2) He says he is not giving permission for SSBs;
3) He's said nothing that cannot be substantiated.

Don't get your knickers in a twist. Your photos, BB, mean nothing.

Anonymous said...

Bruno is a damned traitor to Christ. 200 years ago he would have been burned - 5 years ago in Texas he would have been jailed.

The Christian bishops have all left New Orleans and are meeting in Chicago. there is NOTHING these apostates can do that will in any way encourage any Christian to say in ECUSA. Absolutely nothing.

Anonymous said...

Padre Wayne,

If that truly is the reasoning used to negate this picture than it seems to me that reappraisers are the cleverest form of 20th Century pharisee. They parse their words and the law to have the form of righteousness but not its substance.

Kevin said...

Okay Padre Wayne,

Now I'm really confused, for the VERY paper that asked +Bruno the question reported that:

"Robert Walter Stanley and Robert Karl Marohn celebrated their union yesterday at All Saints’ Episcopal Church in Beverly Hills, Calif. The Rev. Gabriel Ferrer led the commitment ceremony. The Rev. Maryetta Anschutz, also an Episcopal priest, participated."

Published: September 23, 2007

Isn't Beverly Hills in +Bruno's area?

Anonymous said...

Bruno do0esn't have a leg to stand on

Allan said...

From http://tinyurl.com/2ztorq (2005-03-16)

"In the statement, which was drafted by a 16-member committee that included Bishop Diocesan J. Jon Bruno of Los Angeles, the bishops also addressed the matter of same-sex unions. They pointed out that the national Episcopal Church has not authorized rites for blessing same-sex couples: however, the bishops said that they themselves would refrain from performing such blessings for the time being. Clergy in dioceses that already practice same-sex blessings will be allowed to choose whether to continue the practice."

Malcolm Boyd's blessing was in May 16, 2004, prior to this statement. Bp. Bruno has neither officiated nor given permission since March 2005. Clergy are, however, continuing the practice in accordance with the statement quoted above.

1662 BCP said...

What a charming couple. Just one question,'which one is the bride'?

Br_er Rabbit said...

I prefer not to be in the same room with this man.

Anonymous said...

I prefer not to be in the same room with this man.

I have no choice - I follow the commands of Christ and the example of the Global South in fear and trembling.

no matter what else I do, what else I say, or what I claim to beieve, when I stand before my Lord --- if I have stayed in the same church as this man, or have stayed in the same room (unless it is a courtroom), I believe with absolute certainty Christ will command: depart from me you sinner! I do not know you! Go to the fire with Bruno and Spong and all the rest of ECUSA!!

I have no choice. nor does anyone else.

Kevin said...

Padre, one more

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/10/fashion/weddings/10cook.html

"Clark Christopher Cook and James Jeffers Healy affirmed their partnership yesterday in a commitment ceremony led by the Rev. Jimmy Bartz, an Episcopal priest, at All Saints’ Parish in Beverly Hills, Calif."

Published: September 10, 2006

I'm really confuse, I thought +Bruno 'has bent over backwards to honor the mind of the HOB and B033 since 2006?' Something not adding up here ... this epsicospeak is perplexing me.

Karen said...

Bruno has NOT bent over backwards to honor B033. His diocese repudiated it last year at their diocesan convention.

http://titusonenine.classicalanglican.net/?p=16507

Anonymous said...

Will the NYT report the question and answer AND show the evidence to the contrary?

Anonymous said...

And I have from a similarly authoritative source that there are no Gays in Iran either.

Anonymous said...

"Will the NYT report the question and answer AND show the evidence to the contrary?"

The evidence to the contrary was published in the NYT & is a part of the public record. The reporter will probably not get a second chance to ask this question to +Bruno in the near future.

Kevin said...

Watch the press conference - part 3 the NYT report does confront +Bruno at the end with the evidence and she is brushed off with "he'll look into it"

Anonymous said...

anonymous (above) - what's your problem? There aren't any gays in Iran, nor in Nigeria. And there are very good reasons for that!

Now the liberals might not like that fact - and it is a fact - but when gays are outlawed - as they still were in Texas, for example, only 5 short years ago - then, guess what - there aren't any gays (or at least much much less). People change. Without or even without Jesus, people stop being gay when it is in their interest to do so. This is not supposition. It is simple fact, support by the latest scientific research.

And that is why the ECUSA apostacy is so disgusting. Even in Europe - in places like Spain, Portugal, Poland - places where the Church (the Catholic church) is strong, as well as in Anglican countries like Nigeria and Rwanda and Uganda, and Islamic countries this pseudo-bishop would be in jail. As would anyone else advocating abortion and homosexuality and bestiality and whatever else ECUSA gets up to


And that - my friends - that is a good thing. The sad thing is that he is not in jail in the US.

Kevin said...

Okay that's it ...

You Anon need to figure out some way of identifying yourselves -- once there was a polite progressive Anon and a very angry institutionalist Anon, that was confusing enough, but I think we may have three or four Anons on this thread ...

BB - does the Cafe have anything for a headache?

Padre Wayne said...

1662 BCP said...
What a charming couple. Just one question,'which one is the bride'?

As several of you have said, I am glad I'm not in the sae room as this person. What a snarky comment.

RE: Anon two steps above... as some of you snarkily suggest about reappraisers: Feel the love. I'm really glad I'm not in the same room with that one!

Padre Wayne said...

Moreover...
+Bruno has not officiated a SSB since 2006
SSBs occur within his diocese -- he did not say they don't, so there's no need to tear up every NYTimes and LATimes you can find looking for another SSB as further proof of his "apostasy"
His clergy are not required to ask his permission.
There is nothing in what he said that is incorrect, much less a lie. Vague, perhaps; nuanced, perhaps; but a lie? Not.

Kevin said...

Sorry Padre, I've watch the video ... both clips ... his words are not lining up with the evidence. You can "la, la, la" all you want on this one, but NYT ask specific questions to which he answered.

(PS - Thanks for having a name :-) )

Padre Wayne said...

Kevin -- I always post with a name. If it is worth being said and I stand behind it, I owe it to the listener to identify myself. (Are you listening, all you anonymice?)

I don't know what you mean, though, Kevin. He said that ssbs are not occurring in his diocese with his permission. I.e., and you can check with Susan Russell+ on this (since she's IN his dio), permission is not required therefore not given. It may be fudgey to you, but it is true.

Kevin said...

It was fudgey to the reporter by her reaction, who probably a more of an objective standard than either if us.


I think Craig Goodrich gave a good one with the son borrowing the family car (comment on Telling Secrets) or Paula Loughlin mother/daughter conversation on SF. The best is why1914's Gen 3 summary on SF. Granted he could be like Col. Henry on MASH, but somehow his other actions don't really give me the impression he that incompetent.