Tuesday, April 03, 2007

Flash Back

"It would sadden me greatly if there was a real break in the Anglican communion, because we are members one of another and share a common baptism. All of us would be diminished if any part of the communion was expelled."

Frank Griswold, 2006
Retired TEC Presiding Bishop


So much for being independent (how can we be expelled from something we are independent of?). Notice the wording about "common baptism." That means we are all baptized into the same Church (our common baptism is "Anglican" - remember all the fuss about baptismal convenants - well, this is the common baptism as Anglicans and TEC is changing the meaning of that baptism - that's at the heart of the current crisis and division, make no mistake about it). One is then diminished when expelled from the whole. TEC is not the whole Kahuna.

"We are members one of another and share a common baptism," Bishop Griswold said to the Guardian last year before the lawyers got a hold of him and told him to shush.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

C'mon BB. Don't you know that using logic and reason with these people is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It just wastes you time and frustrates the pig.

Kevin said...

In their minds there wouldn't be a contradiction BB. +O’Neill kind of reads like the 'blue meanies' spiel recycled and continuing to try to reframe the debate.

Anonymous said...

I've noticed liberal Anglicans tend to make an idol of baptism. They treat it as a golden ticket. If you're baptized you're in, you're a Christian.

And woe to those who contend that Christian faithfulness and unity includes holding to the apostolic faith.

Anonymous said...

XVII. Of Baptism

Baptism is not only a sign of profession, and mark of difference, whereby Christian men are
discerned from others that be not christened, but it is also a sign of Regeneration or
New-Birth, whereby, as by an instrument, they that receive Baptism rightly are grafted into
the Church; the promises of the forgiveness of sin, and of our adoption to be the sons of
God by the Holy Ghost, are visibly signed and sealed; Faith is confirmed, and Grace
increased by virtue of prayer unto God.

The Baptism of young Children is in any wise to be retained in the Church, as most
agreeable with the institution of Christ.

Kevin said...
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Kevin said...

Well I suppose last time around Reformers came to blows about the meaning of the Eucharist, today we can fight about the other sacrament.

The question is "what is a Christian?"

WannabeAnglican gave a more evangelical reply and Anon, I think was respnding with the Anglo-Cath definition. The 39 Articles and Roman Catholic doctrine give once baptized you earned the right to be called a Christian, independent of a confession. Now we're at a very strange door of who is the elect?