The Bishop-elect, Mark Lawrence, has received fifty-five consents from diocesasn Standing Committees in The Episcopal Church and needs 56 to certify the election by the Diocese of South Carolina. He has all the consents he needs from the diocesan bishops. We continue to keep him - and the people of the Diocese of South Carolina - in our prayers.
Come on Rhode Island, do something really radical. Remember Roger Williams.
LATER: Well, looks like the Bohemian Activists are carrying the day. This report - if it holds - is a loss in our opinion for the Presiding Bishop and the Institutionalists who really were the ones that swapped their votes in the late hour of consents. The Bohemian Activists held tight, though - or so it seems (unless 815 pulls one out of the hat). Sorry. .
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Indeed i pray for DioSC
I pray that this is the result that GOD has ordained: Lawrence loses by one vote: ECUSA is shown as being utterly and totally divided, incapable of any sort of th most grudging toleration for Christianity; and that the Primates will now exercise the judgement of Solomon and cut ECUSA in half, saving the living and disregarding the dead.
Lord Jesus, I lift to you Mark Lawrence and his family, I lift up to you this confirmation process in the Diocese of South Carolina, and I lift up these Anon's who appeared at Baby Blue Cafe who seem to claim your role of knowing the future and what is best. Please work in each of these situations, may your perfect will be done and may your name be glorified. May we learn to submit ourselves to your rule.Please give us all an extra measure of grace to stand steadfast in these times. Guard us from pride, anxiousness or malice thoughts.
If they could support Gene Robinson then they can support Mark Lawrence on the same grounds, the right of each Diocese to pick their own Bishop.
One would think that, but there seems to be a "social justice" disconnect based on if you agree or disagree with something. I read on T19 the best description, "small," this is very childish-like games.
I just love hypocrites . . . . not! You can't just use an arugment when it suits you. Well you can, but it is very "childish."
Let us be totally clear of one thing: in the eyes of GOD
Mark Lawrence is a bishop
and Gene Robinson is not.
Fr. Lawrence declined to say, "I will remain in The Episcopal Church" -- he said "It is my intention." I believe (and this has been verified by only two standing committee members I know [different dioceses]) this was the grounds for their no votes.
Small difference, you may say. Perhaps. But reasserters have pointed to that very thing -- "obfuscation," "fudge" -- as grounds for grave concern.
And BB, I realize you might be angry, but... "Bohemian Activists"? That's rather rude, isn't it?
However: May you have a restful, refreshing, and spiritually uplifting retreat.
I’m Catholic – Baptized into The Church at age 35. I think that when you are 35 and choose to get baptized, you are either making a calculated decision, or you Believe.
I Believe because I know evil exists and anyone can fall. Been there, done that.
I Believe because when I take the Eucharist, the message I get is visceral; bloody; from deep down in the core of humanity and spirit. I don’t have to go out and succumb to my base desires because Christ, said, “This is my Body, my Blood, and don’t you ever forget the sacrifice I made so you can take me and not have to be an animal. You can be better.”
I know that The Church’s problem is man runs it. But it is so much better than the alternative, and I am so much better off in The Church than out.
I pray for you in this trial you face. I pray for your Church and I hope tradition and morality guides your Bishops and leaders.
I pray it does not spread to my Church – we have our own issues and need no more right now.
Thought you all might appreciate this article. And thanks for listening and fighting the good fight.
Minister protests same-sex union ban with a halt to all weddings
March 12, 2007
AMHERST, Mass. --An Episcopal minister will stop performing all wedding ceremonies to protest the denomination's prohibition of same-sex unions.
"We are called to join the fast that our homosexual brothers and sisters in Christ have had to observe all their lives," said the Rev. Robert Hirschfeld, rector of Grace Episcopal Church.
Several members of the congregation say they support Hirschfeld's move, which he announced in his Sunday sermon. Others said they were concerned that that the move might add to the polarization of an issue that has already divided Episcopals.
Erica Winter, of Northampton, said working for social justice often involves giving up something.
"I'm so proud to be a part of this," Nina Scott, a congregant from Amherst, said. "It's a step that needs to be taken."
Two priest associates at Grace Church, the Rev. Margaret Bullitt-Jonas and the Rev. Burton Whiteside, also said they won't perform marriages.
"I am convinced that when gays and lesbians are baptized, they become full members of the body of Christ," said Bullitt-Jonas. "They are not partial members or conditional members or second-class members."
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Information from The Daily Hampshire Gazette, http://www.gazettenet.com
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/03/12/minister_protests_same_sex_union_ban_with_a_halt_to_all_weddings?mode=PF
RE:"I pray for you in this trial you face. I pray for your Church and I hope tradition and morality guides your Bishops and leaders."
Thank you!! That is very kind of you.
RE:"I pray it does not spread to my Church – we have our own issues and need no more right now."
Father, please protect other parts of the Body of Christ from the cancer we fight, please heal this section to health, may you bless the Roman Catholic Church for it's witness of you and guide any area it's amidst back to your perfect design as well. Thank you that through our struggles we've met other wonderful people we might not otherwise.
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RE: ""Bohemian Activists"? That's rather rude, isn't it?/
I think she taking it from David Brooks' use of the term. Which Rev. Anderson, in the sermon link on the other thread, basically declared that we all pretty much fit the qualification of "Bobos" in the DC area and need to recenter. However the Wikipedia definition is not that offensive and probably pretty apt:
The term Bohemian was used in the nineteenth century to describe the non-traditional lifestyles of marginalized and impoverished artists, writers, musicians, and actors in major European cities. The bohemian lifestyle is often associated with cafés, coffeehouses, drug use (particularly opium, the "dark idol"), alcoholism, and absinthe (the "green fairy"). Bohemians were associated with unorthodox or antiestablishment political or social viewpoints, which were expressed through extramarital sexual relations and voluntary poverty.
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RE:However: May you have a restful, refreshing, and spiritually uplifting retreat.
Paintball? Or is that only us guys who would think shooting each other (or a deer) with little blue & green balls of paint is a great way to close a retreat?
{Have a great retreat BB!!!}
Padre Wayne:
I should explain that I grew up with DC sub-cultures and have some limited involved with the arts, therefore my thinking the term is apt is base on my personal experiences with GLBT community from the ones I met in those context. That's way I think the wikipedia definition is apt.
I think I'd agree with that - in fact, I think many of us who are "orthodox" types are bohemian in style, but not in our theology. I was thinking this morning that we are far more inclined to be "bohemian" (i.e., experimental) with our structures and style of worship, while the theology some might think is traditional or even bourgeois. We're sort of the direct opposite - which is perhaps why we can't agree. What has made this current time so amazing is that we've aligned with the true traditionalists - who are institutional in style, but share with the rest of the orthodox the classic view of Anglican Christianity. But our "styles" are quite different.
Because the substance has changed so radically (i.e., the theology), our styles (which have clashed in the past) seem less severe because the substance is what is at risk now.
The TEC Institutionalists want to preserve the structures (buildings, canons, etc) but want to infuse it with the bohemian theology. The bohemian activists are outraged at our theology, but the institutionalists are outraged at our challenge to the structures (something that should be quite bohemian). It's tough on the traditionalists that find the challenge to the institution difficult, but what they have now discovered (especially with Mark Lawrence's lack of consents) is that the institution that they once knew, the one with the substance, has changed. The buildings are still there, the costumes, the pagentry, but they have had their meaning - their context - changed by the bohemian theology.
It is intriguing to look at the TEC struggle this way. We can see why some renewal types and the progressives have some things in common - and why we all drive the institutionalists and traditionalists batty sometimes. The institutionalists sometimes mistaken the "bohemian-style" orthodox of being like the traditionalists, and that's a mistake on their part. KJS seems to be trying to appeal to the Traditionalists as being the same as the Institutionalists, but as we see in South Carolina that is not the case. Now even the Traditionalists are recognizing that Things Are Not Going Well and the institutional church which they have loved so well may not even really exist anymore, at least not the way they remember it. As long as things look okay on the outside, we can go along on our merry way. But now even those seams are coming apart.
This may be why the fight for the The Falls Church in particular is so strong - it is an icon to the Institutionalists (far more than the Bohemian Activists) and to challenge the structures of the Institutionalists is to commit a grave sin. If the Institutionalists, who gain their authority from the institution, lose their identity (i.e., the structures and the property) then what do they have left - why, the Bohemians!
And that is what I think is also coming apart at the seams. How long with the Bohemians align with the Institutionalists if the Institutionalists are willing to Make A Deal to keep the Institution secure, even if it means dealing away the Bohemian's lifestyle?
This has very little to do with the Orthodox - as I've said before, we are a convinient Punching Bag, but the struggle for the past forty years has really been between the Bo's and the Bo's. What they all seemed to forget is that TEC is just a franchise, not the Entire Echalada. But perhaps that is incorrect as well - and in reality TEC is the Entire Enchalada and the Anglican Communion is the franchise ...
bb
bb - you bohemian in style? : ) That is actually how I have always thought of you, where as I, the liberal, am such a traditionalist! And I love structure, can't do without it, but substance can change . . . . Funny how two people who are so different can be kindred spirits . . . .
And maybe we should send the Pope a box set of Bob Dylan and the complete works of JK Rowling.
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