Good old Rowan. He sends a tape rather than attend. He goes to all the TEC events. What if the Holy Spirit called the Global South to action. What would the great grand indaba master say ? Goodbye Rowan,goodnight communion !!!!!
The ABC writes/says: "Naturally, there are *decisions* that have to be taken. But at the same time we must all...share in a sense of repentance and willingness to be renewed by the Spirit."
Rather, it is action, not decision that will heal the Communion. The Anglican penchant for meeting, writing and signing papers, speaking, incessant indaba and re-indaba, for makeing multitudes of agreements that are not kept is not defending the faith, guarding the Bride or honoring the Name of Jesus Christ.
I much prefer the messages of the Global South leaders to anything I've yet heard from Lambeth or 815.
For example, what +Okoh, Archbishop of Nigeria, said about God's 'Living Commandments.' For always, eternally, without exception, it is only Her submission to, accord with, embodiment of God's Word/Law/Love/Truth/Life that distinguishes the Church and gives her validity and power.
I believe he had intended to attend. The present inability to fly out of England doubtless impacted his ability to attend. The last I heard Abp. Orombi is also still stuck in England.
I am glad that he couldn't attend. Perhaps, the good Lord caused the volcano to erupt so as to thwart his attendance, so he couldn't undermine the Singapore meeting like he did at the ACC meeting.
The video is insulting: "Don't do anything, I am working with unnamed people to prepare a response." Pathetic. Rowan is not fit to tie the sandals of the leaders of Global South.
I know there are folks like Robroy who expect the Archbishop of Canterbury to rain thunderbolts down on the evil ways of TEC's leadership. However, I think his remarks are more significant, in the context of the Glasspool confirmation, than some of you are crediting. It seems very clear to me that his patience has been taxed to the breaking point. My guess is that previously slim chances of ACNA ever being recognized as part of the Anglican Communion have been substantially enhanced and that his remarks signal his own view that it is time to put some distance between the Church of England and at least the national leadership of TEC. Bishop Johnston and the Standing Committee of Diocese of Virginia were right in their position. The Presiding Bishop should have been sending that same message, in however subtle but clear manner she thought appropriate, during the confirmation process. In the Archbishop's remarks I see a clear turning of a corner toward the kind of two-tier relationship with the Church of England and the Anglican Communion that was floated many months ago. And it would be undertaken on a Diocese-by-Diocese basis. I'm not sure that's optimal for the American church, but I accept it as inevitable. I think I heard a similar sentiment in these remarks.
However, with numerous 'gay' clergy with benefits (no pun intended), the CoE is no more qualified than TEC/ACoC for membership in the AC and/or first tier status.
Just saw this one, about how the cost of travel for the four members of the Province of Central Africa who are attending amounts to the value of the unpaid wages for a whole year for priests in two of their diocese!
How does this promote the mission of the church? Even if the money for this trip was provided by sources outside the province, would it not have been better to first pay the salaries of these tireless workers for the Gospel?
I was stuck by two things in the Archbishop's video. He mentioned the distance between TEC and the rest of the Communion, ignoring the fact that there are both member churches and people in the Communion who agree with TEC. He also used "provinces" rather than "member churches," suggesting, perhaps, his desire that there be greater control over what the member churches do.
Go Scout! Hooray! His remarks seem to signal something. We can guess that ACNA has been substantially enhanced. He's signaling his own views. There's a clear turning of a metaphor. It's inevitable, so it's OK. Take that, robroy.
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Good old Rowan. He sends a tape rather than attend. He goes to all the TEC events. What if the Holy Spirit called the Global South to action. What would the great grand indaba master say ? Goodbye Rowan,goodnight communion !!!!!
The ABC writes/says: "Naturally, there are *decisions* that have to be taken. But at the same time we must all...share in a sense of repentance and willingness to be renewed by the Spirit."
Rather, it is action, not decision that will heal the Communion. The Anglican penchant for meeting, writing and signing papers, speaking, incessant indaba and re-indaba, for makeing multitudes of agreements that are not kept is not defending the faith, guarding the Bride or honoring the Name of Jesus Christ.
I much prefer the messages of the Global South leaders to anything I've yet heard from Lambeth or 815.
For example, what +Okoh, Archbishop of Nigeria, said about God's 'Living Commandments.' For always, eternally, without exception, it is only Her submission to, accord with, embodiment of God's Word/Law/Love/Truth/Life that distinguishes the Church and gives her validity and power.
DavidC,
I believe he had intended to attend. The present inability to fly out of England doubtless impacted his ability to attend. The last I heard Abp. Orombi is also still stuck in England.
I am glad that he couldn't attend. Perhaps, the good Lord caused the volcano to erupt so as to thwart his attendance, so he couldn't undermine the Singapore meeting like he did at the ACC meeting.
The video is insulting: "Don't do anything, I am working with unnamed people to prepare a response." Pathetic. Rowan is not fit to tie the sandals of the leaders of Global South.
I know there are folks like Robroy who expect the Archbishop of Canterbury to rain thunderbolts down on the evil ways of TEC's leadership. However, I think his remarks are more significant, in the context of the Glasspool confirmation, than some of you are crediting. It seems very clear to me that his patience has been taxed to the breaking point. My guess is that previously slim chances of ACNA ever being recognized as part of the Anglican Communion have been substantially enhanced and that his remarks signal his own view that it is time to put some distance between the Church of England and at least the national leadership of TEC. Bishop Johnston and the Standing Committee of Diocese of Virginia were right in their position. The Presiding Bishop should have been sending that same message, in however subtle but clear manner she thought appropriate, during the confirmation process. In the Archbishop's remarks I see a clear turning of a corner toward the kind of two-tier relationship with the Church of England and the Anglican Communion that was floated many months ago. And it would be undertaken on a Diocese-by-Diocese basis. I'm not sure that's optimal for the American church, but I accept it as inevitable. I think I heard a similar sentiment in these remarks.
Scout
However, with numerous 'gay' clergy with benefits (no pun intended), the CoE is no more qualified than TEC/ACoC for membership in the AC and/or first tier status.
Just saw this one, about how the cost of travel for the four members of the Province of Central Africa who are attending amounts to the value of the unpaid wages for a whole year for priests in two of their diocese!
How does this promote the mission of the church? Even if the money for this trip was provided by sources outside the province, would it not have been better to first pay the salaries of these tireless workers for the Gospel?
http://www.anglican-information-archive.org/2010/dismay.htm
Anon #1 (to distinguish myself from the other Anon's of the same name.)
I was stuck by two things in the Archbishop's video. He mentioned the distance between TEC and the rest of the Communion, ignoring the fact that there are both member churches and people in the Communion who agree with TEC. He also used "provinces" rather than "member churches," suggesting, perhaps, his desire that there be greater control over what the member churches do.
So, the travel budget for the PB should be cut so they can have union custodial workers at 815? Sounds like goose and gander commentary....
Go Scout! Hooray! His remarks seem to signal something. We can guess that ACNA has been substantially enhanced. He's signaling his own views. There's a clear turning of a metaphor. It's inevitable, so it's OK. Take that, robroy.
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