tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post4307758196375900886..comments2024-03-27T08:46:54.369-04:00Comments on BabyBlueOnline: Archbishop of Canterbury now recognizes that The Episcopal Church is walking apartAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-72134515428003099392009-08-19T12:45:58.323-04:002009-08-19T12:45:58.323-04:00Beautiful, Anonymous. And thank you for telling th...Beautiful, Anonymous. And thank you for telling this story and for your faithful witness to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who came into the world to save sinners (of whom I am chief).<br /><br />Throughout the 20th century Believers expended too much time and effort apologizing for the Gospel. May the 21st century see us proclaiming it without reservation or apologies.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-54996972282550960412009-08-19T08:44:04.848-04:002009-08-19T08:44:04.848-04:00I was studying at City College of San Francisco in...I was studying at City College of San Francisco in the 1980's, when between classes, a classmate asked me about my belief in Jesus. I was sharing with her how God sought me, with nothing was being said or implied about gays. A quiet conversation between two people. A guy in our class sitting a couple feet away - a gay - turned around and started yelling at me, livid and full of hate. It was a surreal couple of minutes, but I responded with Scripture while praying, God help me. Finally, when I didn't back down, he stomped off. If you knew me at the time, standing up to someone yelling at me wasn't something I did. I felt the peace of God and that He was speaking through me. My classmate looked at me and said she did know what just happened, but she knew something did - that it wasn't just an argument between the two of us. I told her I felt the same, that it was between God and Satan. She and I had several conversations after that about God - none of which included discussions about gays other than that day following the attack. <br /><br />I wish that were the only time I've been exposed to such hatred. It isn't. <br /><br />You can be baptized, and you can be fully included - but that does not mean your actions are fully accepted by God. If your behavior on any level isn't up to His standards, all the legislation in the world isn't going to change that no matter what the subject. The Israealites discovered this time and time again in the Old Testament. They would give into the culture at the time, someone would see the problem manifesting in the body and return to God - to the "old" ways. Life was not sweet and productive unless they returned to how God wanted them to live and worship.<br /><br />God is the center. He calls, He chooses. It's about Him. Not me, not you. Him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-42099516682948429202009-08-19T07:25:22.030-04:002009-08-19T07:25:22.030-04:00Lapinbizarre, Alice, can't we all just get alo...Lapinbizarre, Alice, can't we all just get along?<br /><br />BB, where are the cream pies? Perhaps those would lighten things up. I am particularly fond today of the weetabix discussion.<br /><br />1662 BCP, I'd love to know just why you left Orthodoxy and where you were before. (I am assuming, perhaps wrongly, that you were a convert to Orthodoxy.) Please get in touch with me.<br /><br />(Since I am late, as usual, posting, perhaps no one will see this. Pity.)Anam Carahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03960986859370967282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-41228331925289027162009-08-19T06:55:55.118-04:002009-08-19T06:55:55.118-04:00Thank you, Lapinbizarre, for that sterling example...Thank you, Lapinbizarre, for that sterling example of stereotyping me as the "religious right."Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-65778322008613928492009-08-18T10:37:18.091-04:002009-08-18T10:37:18.091-04:00Thank you for that sterling example of "Angli...Thank you for that sterling example of "Anglicans" putting aside the warfare with TEC, Alice. Sometimes one wonders how much time, if any, the religious right has for the "Christ" in Christianity. For the sanctimoniously-inclined, Leviticus is so much more fun,is it not?<br /><br />Weetabix is widely available in supermarkets on the East coast BB. Has to be easy to find in N Virginia. My favorite for many years. Try it - I'm sure you'll like it.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-56105966934854285452009-08-18T06:46:26.393-04:002009-08-18T06:46:26.393-04:00It is a pity when wires get crossed, Susan.
Perh...It is a pity when wires get crossed, Susan. <br /><br />Perhaps I should clarify the statement that you find offensive. It is not right-believing Christ-followers who are hated by homosexual activists in TEC, it is God's order in creation and God's plan of salvation. We simply stand as a reminder of these eternal verities.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-81841881803395990672009-08-18T04:48:45.836-04:002009-08-18T04:48:45.836-04:00http://www.weetabix.co.uk/http://www.weetabix.co.uk/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-39528327318221865062009-08-17T22:40:04.992-04:002009-08-17T22:40:04.992-04:00I don't know, Susan, I'm just trying to fi...I don't know, Susan, I'm just trying to figure out what Wheatabix is.<br /><br />bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-11972329573496185382009-08-17T22:21:34.925-04:002009-08-17T22:21:34.925-04:00"...we are surrounded by many who hate us and..."...we are surrounded by many who hate us and who will never desist from their demonically-inspired vision."<br /><br />Wow! Here's me on vacation thinking I'll check out the blogs and see what's going on around the church-at-large and I stumble on this unmasking of the vast-left wing-homosexualist (demonically inspired) conspiracy. <br /><br />I evidently missed a meeting or two ... but when last I checked, the full inclusion of all the baptized in the Body of Christ meant ALL the baptized ... as in ALL.<br /><br />Hard to see how that gets "spun" as hating anybody but I guess wires do get crossed. <br /><br />Pity.SUSAN RUSSELLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01795717638621668638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-84010321564130278072009-08-17T12:29:09.249-04:002009-08-17T12:29:09.249-04:00bb,
Correction, 2 grams of sugar per two "bis...bb,<br />Correction, 2 grams of sugar per two "biscuit" serving.<br /><br />Like shredded wheat, you can also use Wheatabix as breading for chicken, pork chops, etc. Since I am a vegetarian, I havenever tried Wheatabix as a breading. I do, however, eat it sometimes for breakfast, sometimes for lunch, and sometimes for supper. It is great with fresh raspberries and unsweetened Silk soymilk.Heritage Anglicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13536133779405456898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-66138864555523971092009-08-17T12:24:19.543-04:002009-08-17T12:24:19.543-04:00bb,
Wheatabix is like shredded wheat but has a fla...bb,<br />Wheatabix is like shredded wheat but has a flakier texture. Shredded wheat is 100% wheat. No sugar or vitamins added. While made from wheat and no other grains, Wheatabix does have sugar and vitamins added. Approximately 2 grams of sugar per "biscuit." Wheatbix can be eaten with fruit, dairy, soy, almond, or brown rice milk, or dairy or soy yoghurt, and sprinkled with sliced almonds or chopped walnuts or hazelnuts. It can be eaten as a breakfast cereal or as a light supper. Wheatabix can also be crumbled like shredded wheat and used as a topping for desserts like stewed fruit or rhubarb.Heritage Anglicanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13536133779405456898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-68098452321745537552009-08-17T10:23:01.272-04:002009-08-17T10:23:01.272-04:00Ya' know what BB? It's truly refreshing t...Ya' know what BB? It's truly refreshing to hear something rising to a definitive statement from the ABC on the current state of the TEC.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03516444685469895837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-3136817664476665882009-08-17T06:45:46.227-04:002009-08-17T06:45:46.227-04:00Observer, The key is to block each year's pet ...Observer, The key is to block each year's pet project. <br /><br />The Philadelphia ordination of the 11 women (several lesbians)came in 1974, the same year that the Episcopal gay action group "Integrity" was founded. The next year the "Me Too" document was sent by Integrity to all US Roman Catholic bishops and more lesbians were ordained. Here is the account in Louie Crew's wn words: "More 'irregular' ordinations of women took place in Washington, DC, in September 1975, after our convention. In Washington at the time, on a missionary journey to our new chapters in the east, Jim Wickliff and I yielded to the counsel of friends who advised that our visibility at the ordination might put in jeopardy lesbians among all early ordinands." From here: http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~lcrew/gayhist.htm<br /><br />Further efforts to erode the Historic Faith and Practice have happened every year since 1974.<br /><br />The 1976 General Convention passed a resolution affirming homosexuals behavior, and in 1977, Bishop Paul Moore (NY) ordained Ellen Marie Barrett, who had served as Integrity's first co-president.<br /><br />The homosexual attack on catholic orders has been persistent and steady. Those who uphold Holy Tradition are on firm ground, but we are surrounded by many who hate us and who will never desist from their demonically-inspired vision.<br /><br />If only right-believing Christians were this persistent and steady in their efforts to bring poor sinners to the Savior!Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-26614124736099665252009-08-17T06:01:54.198-04:002009-08-17T06:01:54.198-04:00Weetabix is a breakfast cereal, 100% wheat "b...Weetabix is a breakfast cereal, 100% wheat "biscuits"....most people eat 2....with milk and maybe some sugar.<br /><br />Glad to see Andrew Carey's piece....but despite being a small group, the revisionists in the CofE ought not to be (as Dubya would say) <br />"misunderestimated".....they are political, they are determined and they are ruthless....that is how they have punched way above their weight in the AC and COfE for decades.<br /><br />And there are still lots of people who do not agree with them but have little stomach for opposition ..... and speak grandly about unity as if the bible taught that unity at all costs, regardless of contradictory teaching, must be always maintained..... <br /><br />Thank goodness the BIshop of Durham and some others are not silenced - despite the massive effort to neutralise them that IS going on and intensifying now.Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-43873978259541514542009-08-16T22:09:28.625-04:002009-08-16T22:09:28.625-04:00Two years on the Holy Mountain? That qualifies you...Two years on the Holy Mountain? That qualifies you to judge these people who have come to Orthodoxy?<br /><br />I worship at an Antiochian Orthodox church where about half the congregation is comprised of converts, not a single one is "half-baked".Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-9737569015991740872009-08-16T18:19:00.971-04:002009-08-16T18:19:00.971-04:00Alice,
My point is that these people have been so...Alice,<br /> My point is that these people have been sold a false bill of goods and many of them, like Peter Guilquist realized this too late. The sad thing is that many of these folks were Episcopalians who weren't really rooted in Anglicanism, so they jumped onto the 'let's become Orthodox bandwagon". They don't generally get rooted into stable Orthodox Churches, but seem to go with the easier to join OCA or Antiochian jurisdictions and seldom get a grounding in traditional Orthodoxy because they tend to gravitate to circles of of other half-baked converts. I saw a lot of this with pilgrims from the West, while living on Mount Athos for two years.RMBrutonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15017576806723146013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-42130077226490912502009-08-16T18:12:54.245-04:002009-08-16T18:12:54.245-04:00What is Weetabix? Is that the British version of ...What is Weetabix? Is that the British version of Wheaties?<br /><br />bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-26070125695478123412009-08-16T16:37:31.533-04:002009-08-16T16:37:31.533-04:00Changing the tone of these comments, "...blea...Changing the tone of these comments, "...blearily chewing our Weetabix."<br /><br />OUCH. That's just mean, BB. We can't all of us be morning peeps.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08057766063907866916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-28927550667236328672009-08-16T14:39:13.044-04:002009-08-16T14:39:13.044-04:001662, Anam Cara's point is that Orthodoxy has ...1662, Anam Cara's point is that Orthodoxy has become home for many former Episcopalians, a simple fact. I might add that many of these are exemplary Orthodox Christians - Fr. Stephen Freeman, Fr. Peter Guilquist, Fr. Gregory and his wife Frederica Mathewes-Green, to name a few.<br /><br />I personally don't care for the Western Rite. We use the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom each Sunday and once a year that of St. James. There is richness and fullness here. Not everyone would feel at home in Orthodoxy. Hopefully, these will be able to find a right-believing Anglican congregation within driving distance of their homes. My prayer is that Anglicans put aside the warfare with TEC and start bringing souls to Jesus Christ, the Son of God.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-14606541073776318002009-08-16T13:58:13.999-04:002009-08-16T13:58:13.999-04:00So if I understand this correctly, Anon, you want ...So if I understand this correctly, Anon, you want to have full blown blessings of same sex marriages and weddings for same gendered people in the Episcopal church and Anglican Communion, but you don't want to allow any kind of pastoral response or redemption to those who's marriages have shattered? Do I have that correct?<br /><br />bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-68305830813160551412009-08-16T12:48:26.514-04:002009-08-16T12:48:26.514-04:00Absolutely true, anon--the church indeed blesses a...Absolutely true, anon--the church indeed blesses adultery (defined in the actual words of Jesus, who said nothing about homosexuality) when it remarries the divorced. Divorced people should remain unmarried and celibate, according to Scripture. Anything else is blatant hypocrisy.<br /><br />Maybe the emphasis on homosexual relationships is to distract attention from the far greater number of adulterous relationships out there in the church and amongst the clergy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-11393838156842923682009-08-16T11:32:54.446-04:002009-08-16T11:32:54.446-04:00"Remarrying" people in our churches and ..."Remarrying" people in our churches and letting "remarried" people serve as leaders in our churches does indeed place the church's blessing upon that which is sinful.<br /><br />Those who divorce should be celibate, just as they expect gays and lesbians to.<br /><br />Otherwise, as someone once observed, they place on others such burdens as they are not willing to carry themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-5868376801114474192009-08-16T11:32:40.397-04:002009-08-16T11:32:40.397-04:00The second marriages at which I have officiated ha...The second marriages at which I have officiated have come only after a season of mourning and repentance, with renewed intention that the second marriage be lived in the grace of God and that it not meet the fate of the first. That is a far different situation than a same-sex marriage which is conceived in sin to begin with, with the intention to live together in defiance of the plain teaching of scripture.<br />desert padreAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-4902122336535112972009-08-16T11:25:15.249-04:002009-08-16T11:25:15.249-04:00Anon, I think you are missing the point. Divorce ...Anon, I think you are missing the point. Divorce is not blessed nor is it encouraged. I think that's the point. <br /><br />bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-31069656289159579222009-08-16T11:17:03.440-04:002009-08-16T11:17:03.440-04:00Jesus categorically and unequivocally forbade &quo...Jesus categorically and unequivocally forbade "remarriage," yet such "orthodox" luminaries as George Carey, Peter Jensen, William Wantland (who himself is divorced and "remarried"), David Roseberry (also "remarried"), and Michael Scott-Joynt approve of it while having spent all these years railing against gays and lesbians.<br /><br />Rome, for all its faults, is pretty consistent on this issue. "Orthodox" Anglicanism, on the other hand, seems to have reduced 2,000 years of Christian teaching on marriage and sexuality to "Don't be gay!!!"<br /><br />ACNA's talk of traditional morals would be a lot more convincing if people saw them holding to the whole Christian tradition of sexual morality, not just the parts that don't cramp their style too much. <br /><br />As things stand now, though, with adultery getting the wink-wink-treatment while homosexuality is treated as the only sin that matters, it's hard not to believe that all this has more to do with disliking homosexuals than anything else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com