tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post8093929148760199316..comments2024-03-27T08:46:54.369-04:00Comments on BabyBlueOnline: Church of England takes steps forward in building bridges with the Anglican Church in North AmericaAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-87818995231407105112012-02-12T12:41:12.312-05:002012-02-12T12:41:12.312-05:00I just couldn't go away your web site before s...<b>I just couldn't go away your web site before suggesting that I extremely loved the usual info a person supply for your guests? Is gonna be back regularly in order to check up on new posts</b><br><a name="ucomment" href="http://sorelwomenshelentundrabothecheapest.blogspot.com/2012/02/sorel-women-tofino-cvs-boot.html" rel="nofollow">Sorel Women's Tofino CVS Boot</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-76590548045393160422012-01-30T22:49:28.616-05:002012-01-30T22:49:28.616-05:00Dale,
I am always hopeful when people are able to ...Dale,<br />I am always hopeful when people are able to think and pray through an ethical and arrive at a new place, even when I have not arrived at the same place. It is then for me to listen to how they got there to see if I may have gone astray. I think a great danger is to conclude that we have arrived at the right position on everything and to stop listening, praying, studying, and thinking.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-12656438562407783942012-01-30T14:03:07.992-05:002012-01-30T14:03:07.992-05:00Daniel,
"I trust that your convictions grow o...Daniel,<br />"I trust that your convictions grow out of careful study of Scripture and I hope that mine are as well." You and I agree here. At one time I believed that both capital punishment and abortion were options. I no longer believe this.Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-26515049573173243582012-01-30T12:14:41.983-05:002012-01-30T12:14:41.983-05:00Dale,
I only mentioned slavery as an example of an...Dale,<br />I only mentioned slavery as an example of an ethical question on which Christians disagreed. There are other disagreements that I could have mentioned, e.g., pacifism, lending money at inteterest, taking an oath in court. My point was that one cannot fairly dismiss the position that some of us have taken on same-sex relationships as being caused by our slavery to the culture, any more than dismissing the opposite position as being caused by someone else''s slavery to the culture. It is clear that in the US there is great diversity of conviction about same-sex relationships and Christians on all sides need to be careful that our positions are grounded in Scripture and not in public opinion. I trust that your convictions grow out of careful study of Scripture and I hope that mine are as well.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-87240758230564451382012-01-29T23:00:17.212-05:002012-01-29T23:00:17.212-05:00I see nothing here that helps CANA. I see bones t...I see nothing here that helps CANA. I see bones thrown to the bishops they have so assiduously cultivated in the Church of England.<br /><br />It's a long way from this to being recognized.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-3751625670512438722012-01-29T20:54:59.844-05:002012-01-29T20:54:59.844-05:00Daniel,
I don't believe the injustice of slave...Daniel,<br />I don't believe the injustice of slavery (a human right to be free) is commensurate with a civil right to inclusion. You may say that the latter is just another form of slavery but we will have to disagree on that.Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-76709723540381236092012-01-29T19:50:26.761-05:002012-01-29T19:50:26.761-05:00Dale,
I agree that the culture is not to determin...Dale,<br /><br />I agree that the culture is not to determine what the Gospel means. What has been true is that Christians have often disagreed about what the Gospel has to say to the culture. That seems to be the case now as people disagree about same sex relations, just as Christians did about slavery in the 19th century.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-283416595179733652012-01-29T10:35:20.652-05:002012-01-29T10:35:20.652-05:00Daniel,
"What the English reformers intended ...Daniel,<br />"What the English reformers intended was not a church that would be unchanging over time but one that would bear witness to the the Good News in changing contexts." I think herein lies the rub. Yes, there is a reciprocity between the culture and the church. The "locally adapted" has always been there. However,it was not intended to be understood as the culture determining what the Gospel means. Christ's charge to Peter was that the church determines what is allowed on earth, not the culture.Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-4764563369190341992012-01-29T08:43:48.572-05:002012-01-29T08:43:48.572-05:00What the English reformers intended was not a chur...What the English reformers intended was not a church that would be unchanging over time but one that would bear witness to the the Good News in changing contexts. The current debates are, appropriately, about whether the churches of the Commuinion are faithfully bearing witness to the Good News in their diverse contexts.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-53638491517762824442012-01-28T09:15:43.123-05:002012-01-28T09:15:43.123-05:00Perhaps there is a realization amongst some that w...Perhaps there is a realization amongst some that what passes for Anglicanism on both sides of the Atlantic is not. What people presume to be the C of E is simply the Episcopal Church of England and it is now about as Anglican as its distant relatives in North America (both TEC and the Continuing-Episcopalians of various emmigrations [REC, Pre-1979,Post-1979,AMiA,and Post-2003]). They disagree over certain issues vehemently denouncing each other; but they represent a eschewed interpretation of Anglicanism. Like "Classic Coke" and its precursor "New Coke", neither are the Real Coke. What the English Reformers intended is extinct as an institution and like some of the victims of Hiroshima, only the shadows remain.RMBrutonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15017576806723146013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-78616596465866470222012-01-28T00:58:29.860-05:002012-01-28T00:58:29.860-05:00I agree wholeheartedly with the last two comments....I agree wholeheartedly with the last two comments. Unity is in the air.<br /><br />ScoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-6740301275926147452012-01-27T22:43:21.659-05:002012-01-27T22:43:21.659-05:00Anonymous
"Not seeing the shocklwave message....Anonymous<br />"Not seeing the shocklwave message."<br />You are not seeing the message b/c you have a 32 bit brower. win 7 64 bit with a 64 bit browser does not provide for a 64 bit version of shockwave.Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-43757196461471240632012-01-27T22:26:19.616-05:002012-01-27T22:26:19.616-05:00BB,
The Shockwave Flash plugin problem was on my b...BB,<br />The Shockwave Flash plugin problem was on my browser. I had two versions of the plugin and they were canceling each other out. I had to disable one of them.Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-75389391967762808042012-01-27T19:12:03.186-05:002012-01-27T19:12:03.186-05:00I think the CofE is in a difficult place, given th...I think the CofE is in a difficult place, given the fact that it has plenty of clergy and lay people on both sides of the issues, as well as others who have no opinion about what's happening in North America. It is also facing differences of conviction about women in the Episcopate and the Anglican Covenant. The way ahead for CofE will not be easy.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-35663117878579465022012-01-26T22:14:32.333-05:002012-01-26T22:14:32.333-05:00Guys - you're quite right. My only chronic po...Guys - you're quite right. My only chronic point of difference with many of the commenters here is on the property issue. I was reacting to Archbishop Duncan's rather strained idea that the General Synod's statement was part of a continuing "embrace" of ACNA. The statement seemed very cold and distant to me. I may not be the most informed connoisseur of embraces, but this one seemed to me to be of the Venus de Milo genus: cold, stony and armless. I realize that he doesn't write this stuff, he just says it or it goes out over his name. But it did seem a bit non-reality based. Whoever put the word "embrace" in Robert's mouth did him a disservice.<br /><br />ScoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-59778726253085949272012-01-26T11:50:45.891-05:002012-01-26T11:50:45.891-05:00Not seeing the shocklwave message.
Win7, 64 bitNot seeing the shocklwave message.<br /><br />Win7, 64 bitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-33143915891166463212012-01-26T11:04:10.955-05:002012-01-26T11:04:10.955-05:00Scout,
Sorry, I'm just not seeing the spin. ...Scout,<br /><br />Sorry, I'm just not seeing the spin. Maybe I'm not viewing all of Abp Duncan's comments, (looking at the ACNA website) but I don't see anything other than some quotes from the CoE statement and a few citations of facts.<br /><br />The next time I see Abp Duncan, I'll relay your feelings of embarassment...RalphMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-11635494604808785802012-01-26T11:01:22.991-05:002012-01-26T11:01:22.991-05:00Dale, I haven't been able to recreate the Shoc...Dale, I haven't been able to recreate the Shockwave plug message - can you tell me more? I am wondering if that is a message being sent by your system? Has anyone else received that message? <br /><br />Thank you all so much!<br /><br />bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-51861173275508401552012-01-26T10:58:17.233-05:002012-01-26T10:58:17.233-05:00I don't believe Bob Duncan is spinning anythin...I don't believe Bob Duncan is spinning anything, Scout. It is clear in this statement from the Archbishops of York and Canterbury that the door is open to BOTH The Episcopal Church and the Anglican Church in North America to exchange clergy and the door also is open for the Church of England to recognize the members of the Anglican Church of North America as Anglicans. The separate issue is whether the bishops are recognized by the Archbishop of Canterbury and that is an issue that is done bishop by bishop (not province). But the status of the bishops does not seem to affect the status of individual Anglicans as being recognized as Anglicans or for clergy to be exchanged in a case by case basis. Currently both TEC and ACNA Clergy are being recognized by bishops in the Church of England and COE clergy are permitted on a case by case basis to serve in both TEC and ACNA parishes. <br /><br />bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-49249604683636784932012-01-26T08:10:08.681-05:002012-01-26T08:10:08.681-05:00Scout,
I didn't recognize you as the poster in...Scout,<br />I didn't recognize you as the poster initially since the word "property" was not included in your narrative.<br /><br />BB,<br />I keep getting the message Shockwave plug in has crashed. What is that about?Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-72710474115940785422012-01-26T04:23:17.962-05:002012-01-26T04:23:17.962-05:00RE the update: it's a bit embarrassing to see...RE the update: it's a bit embarrassing to see Archbishop Duncan reduced to being a spin-meister on this. I'm not sure what the significance of the statement was - it seemed very guarded and careful not to say much of anything or to put the CofE anywhere near the American turmoil. To call that an "embrace" of ACNA makes one uncomfortable for Robert Pittsburghus. <br /><br />ScoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-36081124694535052172012-01-25T08:39:11.302-05:002012-01-25T08:39:11.302-05:00Conspiracy theories circulate in TEC, and they are...Conspiracy theories circulate in TEC, and they are not flattering to those who spread them. <br /><br />Why is TEC so paranoid about the franchise? Is there a fear that freedom to choose between TEC and ACNA will not go well for TEC?<br /><br />If TEC's theology and actions honor God, there is nothing to fear.RalphMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-44129949349701249252012-01-25T00:22:12.916-05:002012-01-25T00:22:12.916-05:00You fellas are late to the party. The effort to us...You fellas are late to the party. The effort to use the term Anglican as a differentiation device, with the barely hidden implication that ACNA et al are "true Anglicans" and the Episcopal Church is not, has been under way for six years. <br /><br />The resolution of the property issues will free ACNA from its entanglements. And clarity will follow - for everyone. The sham will end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-41741606407719995962012-01-23T12:40:56.446-05:002012-01-23T12:40:56.446-05:00There really is nothing new in the report. It simp...There really is nothing new in the report. It simply recognizes the reality of a denomination in North America that sees itself as Anglican, has close relationships with many member churches of the Communion, and would like to be a member church. Whether that desire is realized in the near future is an open question.<br /><br />St. Peter's Church in Niagara Falls, NY has had both Episcopal and Anglican on its sign, recognizing that for Canadian visitors Anglican has a familiarity that Episcopal doesn't.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-544249483562421862012-01-22T22:23:45.615-05:002012-01-22T22:23:45.615-05:00As an Episcopalian, I am very comfortable describi...As an Episcopalian, I am very comfortable describing my religious orientation as "Anglican." I think it important that Episcopalians use the term much more freely, lest it be viewed as a distinguishing term.<br /><br />ScoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com