tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post6388031550090454688..comments2024-03-27T08:46:54.369-04:00Comments on BabyBlueOnline: Breaking News: Truro Anglican Church and the Episcopal Diocese of Virginia settleAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-73645371524118536082012-04-27T19:42:32.862-04:002012-04-27T19:42:32.862-04:00It would take someone with a great, undisciplined ...It would take someone with a great, undisciplined imagination to extract that from my comment. The Reformation was unfortunate, but necessary. However, most Christians hope for more, as opposed to less, unity in the Church of Christ. As flawed, weak and stupid humans, we have an innate tendency to immerse ourselves in imagined differences that result in separation. This is not just a religious statement, but a statement that has some validity across a broad range of human activity. The plethora of Christian sects, denominations, etc. is indicative of humans' built-in capacity to atomize, rather than to coalesce. Screwtape rejoices. <br /><br />But, to answer your question, yes, I hope to return to one universal Christian church. To do so, I think I will have to accept that there may a Christian or two that has a somewhat different view than I on this or that point. I'm ready to do that.<br /><br />ScoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-9354394872291385662012-04-27T17:31:33.291-04:002012-04-27T17:31:33.291-04:00Scout - when you say "Perhaps we can reverse ...Scout - when you say "Perhaps we can reverse this course of schism, separation..." are you saying you (or TEC) intends to return to Roman Catholicism??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-87293279281940507812012-04-23T22:40:29.386-04:002012-04-23T22:40:29.386-04:00Andy Powell+ -
I am as puzzled by your post at 7:...Andy Powell+ -<br /><br />I am as puzzled by your post at 7:13 as I am by the habitually petty and intermperate demeanor you present as an example of Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-37886256289850372802012-04-22T14:10:28.776-04:002012-04-22T14:10:28.776-04:00When I, a priest in TEC, began teaching at a Roma...When I, a priest in TEC, began teaching at a Roman Catholic high school, I spent some time considering what was of value in traditions which weren't mine and with which I had some serious disagreements. I found it to be a valuable exercise and I think that it helped me to become more irenic in discussions with those with whom I disagree. Years earlier my spiritual director suggested that I would only enter heaven arm in arm with my enemy. I cannot know if my enemies will be in heaven, but I will have to ready to rejoice with them there or find that my self-righteous pride keeps me from the banquet.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-76401088292432314182012-04-21T19:13:05.186-04:002012-04-21T19:13:05.186-04:00Anonymous--Are you offering me unsolicited advice ...Anonymous--Are you offering me unsolicited advice about contacting Tory Baucum directly? It would be "un-circumspect" for me to take advice from anonymous commentators on a blog.<br /><br />Andy+Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-75316430111823319132012-04-20T22:13:19.392-04:002012-04-20T22:13:19.392-04:00Andy Powell+ -
BTW - How did your conversation w...Andy Powell+ - <br /><br />BTW - How did your conversation with Rev. Baucum resolve itself? Or did your judgmental attack of his (and the vestry's) actions only occur in cyberspace?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-88004835358337671022012-04-20T20:04:26.976-04:002012-04-20T20:04:26.976-04:00names are not as important as the content of the c...names are not as important as the content of the comment. If I were as enterprising as BB and maintained my own site, I would require commenters to withhold their real names. It is a distraction. Would Anon's (@1107 and 1708) comments be more or less compelling if he/she attached his name? Would Andy Powell's comment be less revealing if he offered it anonymously?<br /><br />ScoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-90905879775532621962012-04-20T17:08:10.962-04:002012-04-20T17:08:10.962-04:00Andy Powell+ -
I have no obligation (moral or ot...Andy Powell+ - <br /><br />I have no obligation (moral or otherwise) or interest in attaching my name to the occasional message I might post on a blog. In fact, doing so would be foolish in the extreme for any number of practical reasons. Your inference that it is some sort of moral failing on my part to not provide identifying personal information on a public message board further reveals your lack of considered thought and circumspection.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-63754561719718210402012-04-20T14:09:27.683-04:002012-04-20T14:09:27.683-04:00Anonymous--You are correct in assuming that I do n...Anonymous--You are correct in assuming that I do not live in Northern Virginia at present. I am a priest in the Diocese of Ft. Worth, TX. Nevertheless, I lived in Northern Virginia for 15 years, worshipped at one of the now departing Anglican congregations, and have many close friends there, some of whom attend Truro (including Baby Blue). As a concerned and informed Anglican, and as priest, I have the right and the duty to speak out on these issues and I will continue to do so. My comments may or may not have been "un-circumspect", but at least I'm willing to put my name to them and not hide behind a pseudonym like "anonymous."<br /><br />Andy Powell+_Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-74665349232790279752012-04-20T11:07:47.813-04:002012-04-20T11:07:47.813-04:00RE: Scout @ 8:21PM
"I hope you will have an ...RE: Scout @ 8:21PM<br /><br />"I hope you will have an opportunity to know him better".<br /><br />It's highly unlikely that Andy Powell+ will have an opportunity to get to know the Bishop better, b/c (based on his un-circumspect comments above) I strongly suspect he lives somewhere far away from Northern Virginia. His willingness to attack the actions of Rev. Baucum (a fellow conservative Anglican minister) on a blog (I am assuming that Andy Powell+ has accurately identified himself) from miles and miles away does not reflect well on him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-5635925757932951602012-04-19T20:21:56.096-04:002012-04-19T20:21:56.096-04:00Andy: The Bishop is a welcome Christian brother o...Andy: The Bishop is a welcome Christian brother of many. That he is not yours is to be lamented. I hope you will have an opportunity to know him better. <br /><br />ScoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-553840944600708692012-04-19T18:56:25.807-04:002012-04-19T18:56:25.807-04:00I wonder what Bishop Minns has to say about the un...I wonder what Bishop Minns has to say about the unfortunate circumstances in which his former church now finds itself? Rev. Baucum is simply trying to effectively manage the aftermath of the former rector's strategic vision. Perhaps that vision was not particulalry well thought out.Interested Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-81689836646339700432012-04-19T08:59:43.250-04:002012-04-19T08:59:43.250-04:00Scout--By his own words and actions, Bishop Johnst...Scout--By his own words and actions, Bishop Johnston has clearly established that he is not our "Christian brother."<br /><br />Andy Powell+Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-69621762647906576632012-04-19T07:19:14.785-04:002012-04-19T07:19:14.785-04:00Beats me. Perhaps we can reverse this course of s...Beats me. Perhaps we can reverse this course of schism, separation, and vilification and spend more time with our Christian brethren. Christian unity is always more desirable than Christian factionalism and separation, the latter quality seeming to be a state for which humans have great affinity.<br /><br />ScoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-79778360122091097282012-04-18T21:57:04.272-04:002012-04-18T21:57:04.272-04:00Scout - Why would one remain separate from a Chris...Scout - Why would one remain separate from a Christian brother?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-13625527747057449592012-04-18T20:28:48.927-04:002012-04-18T20:28:48.927-04:00Is Bishop Johnston not a Christian brother, Andy?
...Is Bishop Johnston not a Christian brother, Andy?<br /><br />What is untrue about Tory's statement?<br /><br />ScoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-56426855015895522092012-04-18T11:29:57.457-04:002012-04-18T11:29:57.457-04:00I am so confused. I thought these parishes were ap...I am so confused. I thought these parishes were appealing to the Supreme Court. Why are they selling out now after coming so far? <br /><br />Another thing I don't get is why negotiate now? Back at the beginning of this whole thing, all of these churches were negotiating. Then 815 decreed that negotiations had to stop. I guess the whole idea was to break their backs first and then negotiate? <br /><br />I am sorry. But until the most court ruling, I would not have seen so many willing to accept this travesty especially when the Supreme Court has yet to review the cases that have been sent to it on appeal. Why the hurry? Won't these churches be crying if the Supremes actually uphold neutral principles and rule that a trust cannot be imposed unilaterally?<br /><br />I for one am not happy to see this happening. Its a dang shame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-71892254852187403332012-04-18T11:07:05.247-04:002012-04-18T11:07:05.247-04:00I find Tory Baucum's comments about meeting wi...I find Tory Baucum's comments about meeting with Bishop Johnston and referring to him as a "Christian brother" appalling and disappointing. If Tory's statements are really true, then why take all the trouble to disaffiliate and then fight a costly legal battle? Why not just stay in TEC? I understand Truro wanting to get out from under the costly and damaging litigation. But why would Truro's Rector say such untrue things about Bishop Johnston? C'mon folks, let's get real.<br /><br />Andy Powell+Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-20651931887647417502012-04-18T10:03:25.320-04:002012-04-18T10:03:25.320-04:00I have a hunch, and a hope, that what the Falls Ch...I have a hunch, and a hope, that what the Falls Church will do is similer in the agreement but markedly different in the reference and close relationship with the Diocese of Virginia. And that speaks volumes about the leadership of Truro (both clergy and vestry). I am flabbergasted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-62242335728931272272012-04-18T08:09:09.453-04:002012-04-18T08:09:09.453-04:00The disaffiliation issue is less important now tha...The disaffiliation issue is less important now that the legal issues are largely resolved. The disaffiliation requirement was necessary to deter the proliferation of other parishioners plotting to transfer buildings and accounts to new parishes. It's pretty clear now, barring the unlikely outcome that the state Supreme Court will overturn the trial judge's dispositions, that people can't get away with these takeovers. I think it would be most unlikely that a priest or vestry in any Episcopal parish in Virginia would, at this point, think that by drumming up a vote to leave and join a Baptist, Mormon, Muslim, or (insert name here), he could retain possession of the buildings and accounts of the church he/ they are leaving. <br /><br />At this point, the Bishop is in a good position to take a Lincolnesque approach to the final phases of this unhappy chapter. I suspect it is consistent with his inner nature in any event. What is more fitting in Virginia in April? <br /><br />Both sides have significant wounds to heal. Both need to get back to basics. The property grabs were folly fueled by human pride and weakness. It's done. Let's get on with worship, now. <br /><br />ScoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-49580035260683740342012-04-17T22:03:06.746-04:002012-04-17T22:03:06.746-04:00So has TEC given up on the disaffiliation tactic? ...So has TEC given up on the disaffiliation tactic? About time!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-27919467445248884302012-04-17T20:27:52.260-04:002012-04-17T20:27:52.260-04:00I am pleasantly surprised by the agreement. I wou...I am pleasantly surprised by the agreement. I would support a similar one for TFC-Anglican because it is such a large church, finding new facilities is logistically daunting - even with a plan having a year to depart would make things much simpler. <br /><br />I am surprised at the vitriol against Bishop Johnston, especially on a different website. My landlord doesn't have to be a Christian for me to worship in his building and witness works both ways.RWKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-83467152995993212622012-04-17T20:27:34.214-04:002012-04-17T20:27:34.214-04:00I am pleasantly surprised by the agreement. I wou...I am pleasantly surprised by the agreement. I would support a similar one for TFC-Anglican because it is such a large church, finding new facilities is logistically daunting - even with a plan having a year to depart would make things much simpler. <br /><br />I am surprised at the vitriol against Bishop Johnston, especially on a different website. My landlord doesn't have to be a Christian for me to worship in his building and witness works both ways.RWKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-83021037882736163412012-04-17T19:51:40.324-04:002012-04-17T19:51:40.324-04:00Hopefully The Falls Church can reach some kind of ...Hopefully The Falls Church can reach some kind of agreement before Friday. It would also be good to cancell the disaffiliation on Our Savior And the Word Church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-70719960182517597752012-04-17T17:55:03.166-04:002012-04-17T17:55:03.166-04:00Well congratulations - I am glad both parties are ...Well congratulations - I am glad both parties are moving on to better fields - it is long past time for this to have occurred and a shame it took so long with all the bitterness it engenderedettunoreply@blogger.com