tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post5460214359491200848..comments2024-03-27T08:46:54.369-04:00Comments on BabyBlueOnline: Seven Episcopal churches authorized by bishop to perform same-sex marriages in the Diocese of VirginiaAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-76137104357123591812011-10-11T10:50:44.143-04:002011-10-11T10:50:44.143-04:00Or critical readers could conclude that the episco...Or critical readers could conclude that the episcopal diocese is just trying to make a distinction without a difference and otherwise trying to conceal where they are heading, probably in hopes that most of the pew sitters can be kept in the dark and won't stop writing checks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-82807362073860471882011-10-06T20:44:43.838-04:002011-10-06T20:44:43.838-04:00With that explanation, BB, I think you've over...With that explanation, BB, I think you've over-reacted. One could easily get the impression from your head on this that the diocese has approved same -sex "marriages" as people commonly understand the term in a religiosu context. We probably could and should have a discussion of religious "blessings" of committed same-sex relationships, but I think you err in uncritically accepting as your reference points what gay activist groups or individuals "believe" is "marriage". <br /><br />Denying equality under the law is, for excellent reasons, very difficult in this country But religious beliefs are deemed pretty much bullet proof under the Constitution and there's no way that any religious organization can be required to accept civil concepts of "marriage." The diocese did not do so here, but uncritical readers might leap to that conclusion, based on the way in whcih it is presented.<br /><br />ScoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-83597961458752147042011-10-06T17:39:38.229-04:002011-10-06T17:39:38.229-04:00Which parishes are among the seven?
-- CheyWhich parishes are among the seven?<br /><br />-- CheyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-37362106306728334432011-10-06T14:47:56.261-04:002011-10-06T14:47:56.261-04:00I find it of interest because I recall episcopal l...I find it of interest because I recall episcopal loyalists saying around the time of the protocol for departure that it was unnecessary for the CANA, now ACNA, churches to depart because Virginia was a moderate to conservative diocese that would never allow this.<br /><br />And yet here we are a few short years later and it is allowed and encouraged, with the Falls Church - Episcopal believed to be one of them (or about to be).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-51055332504961873392011-10-06T01:26:04.698-04:002011-10-06T01:26:04.698-04:00As I understand it, couples believe they are getti...As I understand it, couples believe they are getting married. Some might want to use different phrases, but at the end of the day the issue facing us is called "marriage equality." The generous pastoral response that couples are seeking is marriage equality. Gay couples aren't pets seeking blessings. It is very clear that what they seek is equality before God and the law. The Diocese of Virginia is providing the "God" part - it will be up to the Commonwealth to provide the law part. To think anything less is naive.<br /><br />bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-15609142363002529602011-10-05T21:54:59.044-04:002011-10-05T21:54:59.044-04:00I ask this not to make any particular point but be...I ask this not to make any particular point but because I'm not industrious enough to follow links or find links back to the underlying news item: Did the Diocese authorize same sex "marriages" in the church or is this some kind of "blessing" of a civil status or inter-personal pledge of commitment between same sex couples? The headline shouts "marriage", but that would rather surprise me, both because of things I have heard the Bishop say and because Virginia does not recognize civil "marriages" between same-sex couples.<br /><br />ScoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-7153348187181039422011-10-05T14:47:36.678-04:002011-10-05T14:47:36.678-04:00People "care" because it's another e...People "care" because it's another example (and yes, there are a myriad of examples) of ECUSA moving away from Biblical standards on marriage. Fellow Christians should voice their opinions on groups that claim to be "Christian", yet set forth a "gospel" that isn't. Abortion, Homosexuality, Sexuality...where does it end for a denomination that claims 1) to be "Christian/Protestant/Anglican, and 2) to be a "Church"? <br />-JoshAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-28169633512281770662011-10-05T13:11:58.049-04:002011-10-05T13:11:58.049-04:00Why do you care? You've left. Worry about yo...Why do you care? You've left. Worry about your own stuff. Let go of this concern about the Diocese of Virginia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-24848555344038855802011-10-05T10:36:42.113-04:002011-10-05T10:36:42.113-04:00Only 6 other parishes? Doesn't sound like tod...Only 6 other parishes? Doesn't sound like today's DioVA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-38619705471630401282011-10-05T07:48:29.213-04:002011-10-05T07:48:29.213-04:00I meant to address my remark to 3:02 Anonymous.I meant to address my remark to 3:02 Anonymous.Anam Carahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03960986859370967282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-86408641843956572002011-10-04T19:32:36.178-04:002011-10-04T19:32:36.178-04:00Quote: "I think that is fabulous that they...Quote: "I think that is fabulous that they're doing that."<br /><br />It's like I've been saying for years, Episcopal jokes write themselves.Daniel Stoddarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14084268720966975050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-33160787853764627522011-10-04T17:05:38.689-04:002011-10-04T17:05:38.689-04:00Anam, Thank you. I had to read your comment twice...Anam, Thank you. I had to read your comment twice to grasp its full weight.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03516444685469895837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-11747985704598603342011-10-04T15:56:37.676-04:002011-10-04T15:56:37.676-04:00Can someone please explain to me what latitude the...Can someone please explain to me what latitude the Bible talks about concerning marriage? <br /><br />I am of the opinion that the latitude mentioned has little to do with a Biblical (or Theological) one, but a man-made, culturally motivated one.<br /><br />Once again, more heresy from the mouths of "Christians". Keep it up ECUSA...you're doing a fine job of gutting the Bible from it's substance...but hey, that's being "hip" with the times, right?<br />-JoshAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-84377977096694064062011-10-04T15:42:49.102-04:002011-10-04T15:42:49.102-04:00So, Andy, to be fully human one has to be sexually...So, Andy, to be fully human one has to be sexually active with someone, anyone? Does that mean that eunuchs, monks, and nuns are not fully human?<br /><br />That definition would also deny the full humanity of Jesus since He was not sexually active. Didn't Docetism believe that Jesus only appeared to be human but wasn't. And wasn't that determined to be heretical back in the 2nd century?Anam Carahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03960986859370967282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-36084555031734550722011-10-04T15:02:32.077-04:002011-10-04T15:02:32.077-04:00@ Andy: He's recognizing the full humanity of ...@ Andy: He's recognizing the full humanity of these couples, if only in a symbolic way. He's doing something neither the state or the church as a whole is capable of doing at this time. It's not always about the insular world of the institution, or of preserving/avoiding any "rift" therein, but about affirming the lives of its members in the broader context of what it means to be fully human. That is but a small part of what is being "accomplished" here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-19184891008588409022011-10-04T13:03:49.960-04:002011-10-04T13:03:49.960-04:00He will certainly be in a position to stand for Pr...He will certainly be in a position to stand for Presiding Bishop in 2015. He wants to promote same-sex blessings without demonizing Virginia Episcopalians who disagree. That automatically makes him a moderate in this new climate.<br /><br />bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-44764261998995520602011-10-04T12:37:03.433-04:002011-10-04T12:37:03.433-04:00I'm curious Mary. Homosexual marriage has no ...I'm curious Mary. Homosexual marriage has no legal standing in the commonwealth of Virginia (unless something has developed in the last minute). Ergo, this ceremony carries no legally binding weight. So, outside of deepening the TEC/Communion rift, what does Bishop Johnston hope to accomplish through this?Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03516444685469895837noreply@blogger.com