tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post4734357104671311596..comments2024-03-27T08:46:54.369-04:00Comments on BabyBlueOnline: Anglican Covenant now back in the hands of the Archbishop of CanterburyAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-38615030972027135872009-05-12T21:03:00.000-04:002009-05-12T21:03:00.000-04:00"It's interesting to think about who's lost who's ..."It's interesting to think about who's lost who's constituency - have you noticed how quiet some folks are lately? ;-)"<br />bb OK, could you unpack this statement for those of us who are a little dense?<br />Thanks,Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-41345954129275464112009-05-12T18:34:00.000-04:002009-05-12T18:34:00.000-04:00It's interesting to think about who's lost who's c...It's interesting to think about who's lost who's constituency - have you noticed how quiet some folks are lately? ;-)<br /><br />bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-70618261126918792622009-05-12T17:30:00.000-04:002009-05-12T17:30:00.000-04:00Hi BB,
While it is accurate to distinguish betwee...Hi BB,<br /><br />While it is accurate to distinguish between the positions taken by TEC (kill the Covenant outright) and the ABC (return the Covenant to a working group the ABC controls) I don't see the practical difference for TEC: TEC is now free to take whatever "prophetic" actions it likes at GC this summer. There is no draft Covenant on the table that could, however weakly, restrain TEC.<br /><br />As time has passed I have come to see the ABC not as a ditherer but as a firm and strong leader. At each stage of the crisis since 2003, he has intervened decisively to protect TEC. The draft Covenant itself was used to divide the "Gafcon" conservatives from those conservatives who want to use the Instruments to discipline TEC. And now that the Covenant is finally ready, the ABC has sabotaged it to generate years of additional delay. These are not the actions of an honest broker.<br /><br />In my view, the ABC's power since 2003 has been the hope among "Communion", non-Gafcon conservatives that, in the end, he would lead the existing Instruments to protect the Communion against TEC. Instead, the ABC has thwarted those Instruments, one by one, when they were ready to act. <br /><br />So after ACC-14, what Communion conservatives will believe Rowan's hints of discipline to come? Judging by the ACI's reaction, Rowan has lost that constituency. To TEC, Rowan's value has been to shield TEC from the "Communion" conservatives and to help TEC divide them from the "Gafcon" conservatives. If Rowan can't do that any longer, his utility to TEC is over.<br /><br />Perhaps something like the foregoing relections were in Rowan's mind during his Presidential address. That might explain his melancholy, which you note nearby.Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397698158382967962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-49966981810617834232009-05-12T08:22:00.000-04:002009-05-12T08:22:00.000-04:00Dale - there is no siren-like power....it is very ...Dale - there is no siren-like power....it is very simple....the ABC has said in print (in "The Body's Grace!") and still thinks that Lambeth 1.10 is wrong in his view....he AGREES with TECUSA re its revisionist views on morality....... what is weird is that any evangelicals think that he is on their side...... he is not, he obviously wants the AC to talk until it agrees with him and Gene re Lambeth 1.10.Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-3905454915382948522009-05-11T18:32:00.000-04:002009-05-11T18:32:00.000-04:00bb,
What you have said is interesting and enticing...bb,<br />What you have said is interesting and enticing but I believe the ABC has a very powerful relationship with KJS. I'm not talking about money or anything untoward. I believe she can be as charming as she is ruthless. I think you underestimate this particular bond and how this will affect the outcome. I do not think he can go against anything she wants. How's that for a different spin on things? He can't resist the siren call to the rocky shores.Dale Matsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975212053636312471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-57244650887824603072009-05-11T17:49:00.000-04:002009-05-11T17:49:00.000-04:00BB
I no longer care what Rowan signals or refuses...BB<br /><br />I no longer care what Rowan signals or refuses to signal, what hints he drops, what tantalising prospects he leave hanging in the air or what promises of this or that. I am only interested in actions: following through on sorting out the misvote on Friday, or perhaps the non-vote would be a better term in the few remaining hours of the ACC meeting.<br /><br />The JSC are not an instrument. The next major meeting is of the Primates due in 2010 [and this was fixed at Alexandria because Rowan cannot be trusted to call meetings]. The CDG does not report to the JSC.<br /><br />I am not sure I can be bothered to wait up to midnight to listen to the twister.Pageantmasternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-24844206972257799762009-05-11T16:59:00.000-04:002009-05-11T16:59:00.000-04:00But wasn't the Windsor Continuation Group also to ...But wasn't the Windsor Continuation Group also to report to the JSC, but it still got the Fourth Moritoria through - I'm not sure who created the ACC's resolution that mysteriously left it out (Gregory Cameron when asked what happened to it said "I don't know"). I don't think anyone of note is going to pay any more attention to the ACC. It's a farce.<br /><br />It will be interesting to see what Rowan signals (or refuses to signal) in his address this evening which should start at 7:00 p.m. EST (6:00 p.m. Central). Stay tuned.<br /><br />bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-25951600871039670142009-05-11T16:47:00.000-04:002009-05-11T16:47:00.000-04:00There were 3 options given to ACC: to affirm or re...There were 3 options given to ACC: to affirm or reject the Ridley Draft as a whole or to send it back to CDG. Instead Williams has gutted it of Section 4 and intends to give it to another committee of his chums under the oversight of the hopelessly liberal JSC. Don't play his game BB.Pageantmasternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-36555527882039589322009-05-11T15:25:00.000-04:002009-05-11T15:25:00.000-04:00The key is no longer what ++Rowan says, but what +...The key is no longer what ++Rowan says, but what ++Rowan does. And he no longer has years or even months, it is really a matter of hours. If he is appointing a group to revise section IV, then he needs to do that this afternoon. And the membership of that group, and not what he says about its mandate, will tell us whether he is serious or not. Likewise, the Pastoral Forum, although a long, long way from the Council we were promised at Dar. Who is on it makes all the difference. We already know it will have no power, but at least it could have some people capable of giving us pastoral guidance that goes beyond "leave the Communion immediately, and leave the keys on the table before you go."<br />Anything less than immediate and forthright action leads to the conclusion that those who think that ++Rowan got exactly the outcome he wanted are correct.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-63823285803390951172009-05-11T14:52:00.000-04:002009-05-11T14:52:00.000-04:00BB - I believe you have this reversed:
"If we env...BB - I believe you have this reversed:<br /> "If we envision even an informal alliance between the Communion Partners of the ACNA and the Common Cause Partners of TEC..."<br /><br />It's the CCP of ACNA and the CP of TEC.<br /><br />Otherwise, BRAVO! Especially that last paragraph. And this:<br />"I would agree that any more meetings that include The Episcopal Church's national leadership led by Bishop Schori are a sham." <br /><br /><br />As usual, your analysis is right on.Sibylnoreply@blogger.com