tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post4557168337707233659..comments2024-03-27T08:46:54.369-04:00Comments on BabyBlueOnline: Proposed Liturgies for Same Sex Blessings in the Episcopal Diocese of VirginiaAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-43369851416432200002009-01-27T20:21:00.000-05:002009-01-27T20:21:00.000-05:00The same sex ceremonies were interesting but why d...The same sex ceremonies were interesting but why does one have to re-invent the wheel? Why not use a same sex ceremony like those that have been used for centuries in the christian hurch, like:<BR/><BR/>10. SIANI 966 [thirteenth century] [Greek] <BR/><BR/>Order for Solemnization of Same-Sex Union <BR/><BR/>i<BR/>Those intending to be united shall come before the priest….shall place his hand on the Gospel, and the second on the hand of the first… <BR/><BR/>iv<BR/>Lord our God and ruler….who didst commend the union of thy holy martyrs Serge and Bacchus…do Thou vouchsafe unto these thy servants grace to love one another and abide unhated and not a cause of scandal all the days of their lives… <BR/><BR/>v<BR/>…Grant them unashamed faithfulness, true love…. <BR/><BR/>vi<BR/>…accept now these Thy servants N. and N to be united in spirit and faith…to prosper in virtue and justice and in sincere love… <BR/><BR/>vii<BR/>…that they be joined together more in spirit than in flesh… <BR/><BR/>ix<BR/>And they shall kiss the holy Gospel and each other, and it shall be concluded. 10. SIANI 966 [thirteenth century] [Greek] <BR/><BR/>Order for Solemnization of Same-Sex Union <BR/><BR/>i<BR/>Those intending to be united shall come before the priest….shall place his hand on the Gospel, and the second on the hand of the first… <BR/><BR/>iv<BR/>Lord our God and ruler….who didst commend the union of thy holy martyrs Serge and Bacchus…do Thou vouchsafe unto these thy servants grace to love one another and abide unhated and not a cause of scandal all the days of their lives… <BR/><BR/>v<BR/>…Grant them unashamed faithfulness, true love…. <BR/><BR/>vi<BR/>…accept now these Thy servants N. and N to be united in spirit and faith…to prosper in virtue and justice and in sincere love… <BR/><BR/>vii<BR/>…that they be joined together more in spirit than in flesh… <BR/><BR/>ix<BR/>And they shall kiss the holy Gospel and each other, and it shall be concluded. <BR/><BR/>Warmest Regards,<BR/><BR/>John S MorganAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-42961505819067509332009-01-27T09:47:00.000-05:002009-01-27T09:47:00.000-05:00Poison. The faux church is poisoning her children...Poison. The faux church is poisoning her children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-84686206422916141302009-01-27T07:03:00.000-05:002009-01-27T07:03:00.000-05:00They are blessing these poor souls right into hell...They are blessing these poor souls right into hell!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-49423984897608682082009-01-26T21:11:00.000-05:002009-01-26T21:11:00.000-05:00I think there are those - including bishops who su...I think there are those - including bishops who support same sex blessings as a "pastoral care" issue - who draw the line on vows as bringing the "blessings" into the realm of "marriage." This is, of course, naive on the part of those leaders (including bishops) because the "blessings" are merely just another inch forward. Once the blessings begin (as we've all ready seen) then marriage is not far behind (as we've also seen).<BR/><BR/>Still, some key leaders (even Barack Obama said during the campaign that he was against gay "marriage" - interesting, huh?) will not take that next step and include the vows, including apparently in the Diocese of Virginia. However, we can see that it doesn't take much creativity to add "vows" as prayers during the open prayer time.<BR/><BR/>The point remains that by publishing these two liturgies (and there is another one for "friendship" which we supposed is for celibate gay couples which The Church of England proposes to have, as we recall Rowan Williams attempted to appoint a "celibate" gay man as bishop, even though he had/has a partner) the Diocese of Virginia has basically kicked the goat over the cliff. <BR/><BR/>One of the things that occurred to me during the Annual Council is how Bishop Peter Lee's formal and informal counsel of advice has changed in recent years. When he first came to the Diocese of Virginia he was of course in his forties and his counselors were older than him. Those counselors are gone now, replaced by a far more progressive group that resemble very little his earlier counselors, except for perhaps Russ Palmore. His "litigation report," while amazingly skewed, he actually did a rather masterful job explaining away one failure after another by the Diocesan legal team and somehow got Council to endores $4 million legal debt when they are having to cut programs and staff, no small accomplishment!).<BR/><BR/>But perhaps they're getting their ducks in order (since of course the goat's all ready over the cliff) for the appeal. In many ways I could make an argument that they gave up early on and put their ducks' eggs all into one neat little Appeal Basket.<BR/><BR/>Of course, publishing these liturgies at this time - what's up with that? Is there a revolt going on in the Left? Very possible!<BR/><BR/>Virginia may be one happy Commonwealth, but it's really several states tied into one - and so is the diocese. The legal case was fought in Northern Virginia, but the Diocese of Virginia office is based in Richmond - and Richmond is nearly a state all its own.<BR/><BR/>The Supreme Court, of course, is in Richmond.<BR/><BR/>How will these blessings be received around the diocese? Virginians are keen on showing hospitality and they love Bishop Lee. But it's not clear to me that Bishop Johnston is bonding with the diocese and whether he will enjoy the same affection as his predecessor. For heaven's sake - I have affection for Bishop Lee. I gave money to the chapel being built in his honor - twenty out of the twenty five years were pretty darn good. In fact, it was a rather memorable moment to see my name on the list of donors on display in the lobby. But there we are.<BR/><BR/>bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-74260047318929925872009-01-26T20:09:00.000-05:002009-01-26T20:09:00.000-05:00Some? There are probably even homosexuals for whom...Some? There are probably even homosexuals for whom this service would be offensive. The day will certainly come when Episcopal Churches will carry warning signs indicating that to bring a child inside would be child endangermentCanon Tallishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05182884929479435751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-49235038614988195392009-01-26T18:35:00.000-05:002009-01-26T18:35:00.000-05:00Interesting. No vows are included here, but space...Interesting. No vows are included here, but space is created for them as "prayers" to be worked out with the celebrant. Do you think putting vows in here would have been offensive to some?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com