tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post3895689321436538381..comments2024-03-27T08:46:54.369-04:00Comments on BabyBlueOnline: BREAKING NEWS: Church of the Word reaches a settlement with the Episcopal Diocese of VirginiaAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-45023374712087048132024-01-09T05:52:50.320-05:002024-01-09T05:52:50.320-05:00I hope you will continue to have similar posts to ...I hope you will continue to have similar posts to share with everyone. 바카라사이트https://www.outlookindia.com/outlook-spotlight/2023년-바카라-사이트-추천-실시간-에볼루션-바카라사이트-순위-top15-news-334941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-17978573257226930662024-01-09T05:52:17.266-05:002024-01-09T05:52:17.266-05:00I was very impressed when I found your writing. 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I believe it is for property control reasons that CANA became the structure held onto by the Virginia groups, as opposed to full embrace of ACNA. Once the Division Statute was taken off the table by the Supreme Court, CANA had not further utility and now it appears that the departing groups are rolling into the ACNA structure. <br /><br />ScoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-73309231850871961442011-04-26T08:28:41.143-04:002011-04-26T08:28:41.143-04:00RalphM. In my own defence I meant no disrespect wh...RalphM. In my own defence I meant no disrespect when I wrote Mims instead if Minns. My eyesight is not great annd that was how I read it. <br />I have no idea when CANA became CANA and now ACNA and I do not really care. My first knowledge of that group came in 2006 when our church went through turmoil and split. I know what they did to our church with all their secret underhand messages and methods.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-25541481084849103852011-04-25T19:54:02.151-04:002011-04-25T19:54:02.151-04:00BB - you're of course right that the Virginia ...BB - you're of course right that the Virginia departing groups were very open about their intentions to leave. I think it fair to say also that they were very open about their intentions to lay claim to the Episcopal properties. In Virginia, my guess is that the "Division Statute" had some people convinced that they could pull it off overtly. In other jurisdictions, however, where one had nothing to go on but past legal precedent, there was a rather complicated stratagem to hold on to the "Episcopal" brand as a way of clouding the property issues. This was why in Pittsburgh and in Ft. Worth sees these parallel "Episcopal" structures. I think the references in the comment thread are to that kind of activity. <br /><br />ScoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-53838544543392980732011-04-25T11:39:01.984-04:002011-04-25T11:39:01.984-04:00The Virginia churches were very public in their de...The Virginia churches were very public in their decision to separate from The Episcopal Church. Judge Bellows noted that fact in his original ruling supporting the vote to separate. Not sure why Anons are posting about the Diocese of Pittsburgh - if they want to throw stones why do they post anonymously? Doesn't that seem rather secretive?<br /><br />bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-21083991151690172352011-04-25T08:16:48.190-04:002011-04-25T08:16:48.190-04:00A further concern... Duncan had consistently denie...A further concern... Duncan had consistently denied in the 2005 action it was his intent to take Pittsburgh out of TEC, although this document was not written until 2007,it was clear that by that time when the settlement was in effect a d presumably based on the assumption that Duncan would not try to do so, that was not true a <br />and cast doubt on whether it ever was true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-50264915977062367512011-04-25T08:03:00.821-04:002011-04-25T08:03:00.821-04:00On the secret memo...that was its title header by ...On the secret memo...that was its title header by its author that is the title I used. I assume he titled it so (I believe it was bishop Duncan,) because he wanted it kept private. It was one of the .most damaging documents revealed in the discovery during Calvary's effort to have the 2005 decision imposed as they argued Bishop Duncan was in violation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-21289781707165255292011-04-24T21:31:15.227-04:002011-04-24T21:31:15.227-04:00RE the question in the 2023 comment: I assume no ...RE the question in the 2023 comment: I assume no more than Fair Market Value if the departing group is going to be permitted to purchase the property. However, I doubt that Truro or the Falls Church will be sold to departing factions. These properties are too intimately connected to the history of the Church in Virginia for the Diocese to give them up. Some type of lease may make sense in Truro, where there is not a strong continuing Episcopal congregation. Based on the settlements that have already occurred, I would think that the non-affiliation provision is going to be a standard component of any settlement where departing parishioners are granted use of the buildings as part of the settlement. That may not be acceptable to some of the groups, in which case there probably won't be a settlement that involves continued occupation of the premises. <br /><br />ScoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-16091405392768224182011-04-24T20:23:09.594-04:002011-04-24T20:23:09.594-04:00How much money will the DVA want for Truro Church?...How much money will the DVA want for Truro Church? And will they insist that the parish disaffiliate from CANA?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-64136476502425761842011-04-23T22:19:50.313-04:002011-04-23T22:19:50.313-04:00The Barfoot memo is specifically about Alternate E...The Barfoot memo is specifically about Alternate Episcopal Oversight. While it acknowledges that there may be property disputes, it is not a plot for retaining property ownership.<br /><br />"Secret" Duncan memo? Why would it need to be a secret that people wish to retain their property?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-35290350838647167182011-04-23T15:42:28.043-04:002011-04-23T15:42:28.043-04:00David H. You will be able to clarify as my recoll...David H. You will be able to clarify as my recollection is rough. This article states: "An earlier court decision sided with the breakaway churches, but was then reversed upon appeal to the Virginia Supreme Court. The suit was returned to the circuit court for re-trial based on a different body of law in June 2010." My memory is that the Va Supreme Court determined that, without addressing the constitutionality of 57-9 at all, since CANA (and I assume the Virgina Anglican district) were not "branches" of TEC, 57-9 did not apply and they reversed the lower court. What exactly does the the above comment reference by a "different body of law" ? On first glance, it would seem that TEC/Dio of Virginia now holds all the legal cards unless something re trust law or contracts etc. comes into play? EmilyHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-14186215900126749572011-04-23T15:25:16.442-04:002011-04-23T15:25:16.442-04:00For Ralph M. ....On the Barfoot Memo, she specifi...For Ralph M. ....On the Barfoot Memo, she specifically mentions her conversation with Martin Minns:<br />http://www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/overseasAEO.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-62870476336980154272011-04-23T15:16:08.510-04:002011-04-23T15:16:08.510-04:00Ralph M. I suspect that none of these documents m...Ralph M. I suspect that none of these documents made by leadership were ever made available to vestrys etc. On the Chapman memo, I believe it was the Washington Post who got a hold of that first and it may have been that that commenced the Calvary suit that was settled in 2005. The Barfoot memo, I believe, was written in 2004, and interestingly, every single male recipient is now a CANA or ACNA bishop. Barfoot, of course, is not eligible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-62410730290956149042011-04-23T15:09:20.535-04:002011-04-23T15:09:20.535-04:00I don't think the Chapman Memo has much to do ...I don't think the Chapman Memo has much to do with this in the specific. By contrast I think that it is the Allison Barfoot strategy memo that is far more relevant and the "secret memo" from +Robert Duncan to the Global South steering committee indicating that the churches (in this case I an unsure if he is referencing only the network, and, subsequently of course CANA would be included as "dual" citizen in ACNA in which he clearly stated it was the intent to leave with the property. Both of these documents became available in the renewed discovery process when Calvary Pittsburgh revisited the courts for enforcement of the 2005 settlement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-2721349871788220252011-04-23T15:08:09.366-04:002011-04-23T15:08:09.366-04:00When accusations are made that include inaccurate ...When accusations are made that include inaccurate dates, non-existent group affiliations, and misspelled/mispronounced names, it adds up to an accusation that is unsubstantiated. It is not just a spelling error.<br /><br />I will assume that the Chapman letter is legitimate (following the link in this thread presented it to me for the first time). It was never presented to the vestry or used as a plan in my CANA church. If it had been, I would have known. <br /><br />RalphMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-28893940676797843012011-04-23T09:55:15.256-04:002011-04-23T09:55:15.256-04:00Bishop Iker is going to be delighted to know that ...Bishop Iker is going to be delighted to know that there is an IRD check waiting for him.Carolynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10848579024671146771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-52933739717322778472011-04-23T07:01:28.775-04:002011-04-23T07:01:28.775-04:00One presumes that "Mims" was indeed mean...One presumes that "Mims" was indeed meant to be "Minns," although there's a Virginia Supreme Court justice named "Mims" who used to belong to a church that broke away from TEC and who proposed a change in the law in 2005 that was designed to enable the CANA folks to leave and take the property.DavidHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03254619654216747524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-57662954679308568492011-04-22T23:07:34.964-04:002011-04-22T23:07:34.964-04:00I have never found that credibility and correct sp...I have never found that credibility and correct spelling are particularly linked. I have seen very true statements badly spelled, and very false ones spelled with splendid precision. <br /><br />ScoutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-78215682254234857822011-04-22T21:26:20.702-04:002011-04-22T21:26:20.702-04:00None of those listed above are members of CANA unl...None of those listed above are members of CANA unless by "Mims", you are referring to Bishop Minns. <br /><br />Credibility takes a hit when you can't even spell the name of the person you are accusing. <br /><br />RalphMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-73840401631821693242011-04-22T18:44:52.695-04:002011-04-22T18:44:52.695-04:00Maybe they were not called CANA in those days but ...Maybe they were not called CANA in those days but it was the same people- Anderson, Mims, Duncan, Iker etc. All backed with IRD money.<br />That's another interesting track- following the money from IRD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com