tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post1442398612581411285..comments2024-03-27T08:46:54.369-04:00Comments on BabyBlueOnline: A Journey from ConCom to FedCom?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-6440644031208230452007-08-11T19:57:00.000-04:002007-08-11T19:57:00.000-04:00I don't visit here often, but I followed the link ...I don't visit here often, but I followed the link from Mark Harris' blog. I'm glad to read your first-hand account of what the journey has been like for you. <BR/><BR/>I'm hesitant to post a comment here, for I'm a Notorious Progressive. But I'm asking these questions sincerely, and not as a troll. I'm not hiding a "gotcha!" in my back pocket. <BR/><BR/>It was inspirational to read your account of how the Anglo-Catholics and Evangelicals could come together, of the Fort Worth delegation taking counsel from a woman and of +Ackerman chatting as friends with a woman who is a priest. How come that "big picture" unity can't happen between conservatives and progressives whose only dispute is on the interpretation of scriptures regarding homosexuality? Do you think there is <I>any</I> hope of rapprochement? <BR/><BR/>Also, can you explain how/why you consider yourself an Episcopalian if (as I gather) you're a leader in a parish that has affiliated with the Church of Nigeria? I'm not baiting you here, but asking honestly, for I do not understand. I left the Southern Baptist Church in the early '80s and -- thank God! -- found the Episcopal Church. But I no longer call myself a Baptist. Is your still calling yourself an Episcopalian the same as my still calling myself a Southerner (which is in my bones), even though I now live in the Midwest? I'm trying to understand why folks who have "shaken the Episcopal dust off their feet" still focus so much energy on the Episcopal Church. <BR/><BR/>I commend you for the raw honesty of your writing in this essay. It helped me to put a human face on somebody on the other side of this sad divide.<BR/><BR/>And, by the way, the prayer you cited ["O Gracious Father, we humbly beseech Thee for Thy holy Catholic Church ..."] is the one I've been praying humbly at least weekly since GC03. If our beloved church has erred, I pray God will correct and reform it. And I especially pray that God will reunite at least this little corner of The Church that is the Anglican Communion.<BR/><BR/>The Internet is a "cold" medium. But I hope my comments come across in the irenic tone I intend. <BR/><BR/>Apologies for consuming so much bandwidth!Lisa Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00881671380217888810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-21826778668891556762007-08-09T00:35:00.000-04:002007-08-09T00:35:00.000-04:00BB, I will ask Todd+ after he gets back from India...BB, I will ask Todd+ after he gets back from India. (He's on a short-term medical mission trip.) He'll definitely be able to tell me if he was there but not sure if he'll remember the sandwiches. Ya never know . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-19710029352728378232007-08-08T23:46:00.000-04:002007-08-08T23:46:00.000-04:00Babyblue, that was gorgeous. Thank you.Josh: A bea...Babyblue, that was gorgeous. Thank you.<BR/><BR/>Josh: A beautiful example of inclusion in action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-33382045772827158162007-08-08T23:18:00.000-04:002007-08-08T23:18:00.000-04:00Wow, what a testimony. I remember as a long time ...Wow, what a testimony. I remember as a long time Calvinist evangelical how transformed/shocked/encouraged I was in Dallas (Plano) to hear a statement of support from Cardinal Ratzinger. Do you suppose in these last days, he will miraculously bring the followers of Christ together out of thier separate pastures? <BR/><BR/>Bill K (otlan)<BR/>still in TEC, Tomball TexasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-3540750022531910812007-08-08T22:03:00.000-04:002007-08-08T22:03:00.000-04:00Mary,A little additional encouragement..Whoever dw...Mary,<BR/>A little additional encouragement..<BR/><BR/><I>Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. <BR/>They say of the LORD, “He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.”<BR/>Surely he will save you from the fowler’s snare and from the deadly pestilence.<BR/>He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.<BR/></I>Ps 91:1-4<BR/>Pax Deus,<BR/>AndyAndyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03516444685469895837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-56124828339781615342007-08-08T20:54:00.000-04:002007-08-08T20:54:00.000-04:00Hey, Josh, I've read the end of the Book, you may ...Hey, Josh, I've read the end of the Book, you may just be on the wrong side. Those who endure to the end get to reign with the King when He returns, but not the lairs, idolaters, sexually immoral, those who practice magic. Sure it seem all fine & good now, eat drink and be merry, but trust you do not know the day or the hour your soul may be required of you.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00261766465382455822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-59534819505485447822007-08-08T16:14:00.000-04:002007-08-08T16:14:00.000-04:00Oh honey, get over yourself! Look around you at th...Oh honey, get over yourself! Look around you at the coffee shop on Dupont Circle, one of the Gayest neighborhoods in America. Why do they all gather around each other, but to defend themselves from warmongers like you, Diane Knippers and IRD?<BR/><BR/>Lighten up. Stop the self-justification ("Oh, how hard I've worked! Oh, how high I've risen in the movement! Oh, how much I've suffered!"). Enjoy the people around you in the coffee shop and allow them to be human too.<BR/><BR/>Beat your sword into a plowshare, because by your deadly fruits we have known you. Have some pastry!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-39955797349130091122007-08-08T14:36:00.000-04:002007-08-08T14:36:00.000-04:00The Prayer of the Hours seems appropriate:O Christ...The Prayer of the Hours seems appropriate:<BR/><BR/>O Christ our God, at every season and every hour, in heaven and on earth, You are worshiped and glorified. <BR/><BR/>You are long-suffering, merciful and compassionate, loving the just and showing mercy to the sinner; calling all to salvation through the promise of blessings to come. O Lord, in this hour receive our supplications and direct our lies according to Your commandments. <BR/><BR/>Sanctify our souls, hallow our bodies, correct our thoughts, cleanse our minds. Deliver us form all tribulations, evil and distress. <BR/><BR/>Surround us with Your holy angels, that guided and guarded by them, we may come to unity of the faith and to the knowledge of Your unapproachable glory, for You are blessed to ages of ages. Amen.<BR/><BR/>And, BB, if I can make a PB and J sandwich for you, let me know. I'd be honored to do that for you. I'm a terible cook, or I'd offer something more substantial)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-32966332085772478882007-08-08T13:21:00.000-04:002007-08-08T13:21:00.000-04:00Thank you. For sharing your history which is real...Thank you. For sharing your history which is really all of our histories. Hearing the "inside" of what has been a dark and at times seeminly secret process really helps. We'll be praying for you all for Friday.<BR/><BR/>The Lakeland TwoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-10789704134397231852007-08-08T10:49:00.000-04:002007-08-08T10:49:00.000-04:00What the others said!Thanks for that heartfelt tes...What the others said!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for that heartfelt testimony.<BR/><BR/>Blessings,<BR/><BR/>PeterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-52538874672742845752007-08-08T10:07:00.000-04:002007-08-08T10:07:00.000-04:00Mary,Thank you for your testimony and for essentia...Mary,<BR/>Thank you for your testimony and for essentially providing the backstory to the journey to where we are today. My prayers, along with the prayers of the saints down at celebration are with you, as we're standing shoulder to shoulder in this.<BR/>Pax Deus,<BR/>AndyAndyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03516444685469895837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-54079380380086208052007-08-08T10:00:00.000-04:002007-08-08T10:00:00.000-04:00Thank you for this beautiful post, Mary. You've c...Thank you for this beautiful post, Mary. You've captured the strange combination of crushing sadness and burning hope in Christ so many of us feel as our lifelong church home goes beneath the waves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-25911704535289189612007-08-08T09:35:00.000-04:002007-08-08T09:35:00.000-04:00There are times when I do feel like we are at Dunk...<I>There are times when I do feel like we are at Dunkirk and we are trying to get as many in the lifeboats as we can, to not just sail away but to rescue as many as we can as we sail back home.</I><BR/><BR/>Your testimony is an inspiration to me, Mary. However dark things are, in the end, it is not the Episcopal Church on which our hearts must be focused, but on Christ.<BR/><BR/>Prayers for you for Friday.<BR/>OscewiceeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-41470166070451508942007-08-08T01:29:00.000-04:002007-08-08T01:29:00.000-04:00For what it's worth, I'm praying for you and all c...For what it's worth, I'm praying for you and all concerned on Friday; God knows what we need before we ask and gives all good gifts, so I have confidence that God will answer according to His will. Peace to you, and I'm glad to know more of your story. Thank you for sharing it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-8436809468971226232007-08-08T00:22:00.000-04:002007-08-08T00:22:00.000-04:00Your angel mentor Diane Knippers is weeping tears ...Your angel mentor Diane Knippers is weeping tears of joy for you BabyBlue. She passed the torch onto you and you've taken the flame, stood firm, and kept the Light of His Glorious Love burning bright amidst the darkness.<BR/><BR/>Such a beautiful, soul-stirring, teardrop-creating essay. Thanks Babyblue. And if I ever meet you, I'll ask you to make me a sandwich.<BR/><BR/>Much Love and Warmth in Christ,<BR/><BR/>Your Partner for His Truth and LoveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-44050263769148032962007-08-08T00:17:00.000-04:002007-08-08T00:17:00.000-04:00Let us know how we can pray for you and the others...Let us know how we can pray for you and the others on Friday. I will give it to our intercessors--we understand --all too well.<BR/>God Bless all of you.<BR/>Christie<BR/><BR/>St. James Anglican Church Newport Beach, CAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-18353544609661377142007-08-08T00:01:00.000-04:002007-08-08T00:01:00.000-04:00Wonderful testimony, and some good recapitulation ...Wonderful testimony, and some good recapitulation of history. But with respect, we really, REALLY need to get beyond the current navel-gazing which seems to afflict the best and brightest of the faithful. It is becoming more prevalent, and in some cases seems to be a refuge for those who do not wish to face the fact that events are requiring action. So much of what we are seeing is more appropriate to retrospective studies after the fact.Tregonseehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01705100658499499100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-85765183890927930722007-08-07T23:58:00.000-04:002007-08-07T23:58:00.000-04:00That would be interesting to know if Todd was one ...That would be interesting to know if Todd was one of them. I have wondered who the others were since I was such a newbie in 94. You could ask him if he ever ate one of my sandwiches.... ;-)<BR/><BR/>bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-12474106913794140592007-08-07T23:39:00.001-04:002007-08-07T23:39:00.001-04:00Goodness, you've been journeying long and fighting...Goodness, you've been journeying long and fighting the good fight for quite a while now, haven't you? (I was one of many who benefitted from your involvement with NOEL back in its early days.) Thanks so much for sharing your story with us. And it does help me understand better the difference between a "concom" and "fedcom." <BR/><BR/>I wonder if my rector (Todd Wetzel+) was one of the smattering of others in 1994 whose name you never learned?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-36789715989449708832007-08-07T23:39:00.000-04:002007-08-07T23:39:00.000-04:00Thank you for sharing your thoughts, I known this ...Thank you for sharing your thoughts, I known this process has been difficult for you.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00261766465382455822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-53128730244903589722007-08-07T21:31:00.000-04:002007-08-07T21:31:00.000-04:00I will try to be at the hearing as well. I wonder...I will try to be at the hearing as well. I wonder what would happen if all the defendants demanded admission to the courtroom - not sure we would all fit...LOL.<BR/><BR/>What I try to always keep before me is that regardless of the outcome of the court battles, we are now free from TEC. This separation grants an inheiritance to our children and grandchildren: safety from the false teachings that issue forth from TEC on an ever increasing rate.<BR/><BR/>RalphMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-11311142979968684402007-08-07T21:19:00.000-04:002007-08-07T21:19:00.000-04:00Fantastic post Mary. Thanks for sharing your test...Fantastic post Mary. Thanks for sharing your testimony and what this fight has meant to you.<BR/><BR/>Keep me posted how I can be praying on Friday!<BR/><BR/>Hugs.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07776057299013988717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-8301899374026227622007-08-07T21:15:00.001-04:002007-08-07T21:15:00.001-04:00OK, the alphabet soup and the jargon have me thoro...OK, the alphabet soup and the jargon have me thoroughly confused: Is that a journey from comcon to concom to comcom to concon to fedcomcon to....<BR/><BR/>The above should be appropriately illustrated with an woodcut from the Mad Hatter's tea party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-40834431555882111282007-08-07T21:15:00.000-04:002007-08-07T21:15:00.000-04:00I'm glad I read your explanation of the difference...I'm glad I read your explanation of the difference between ConCom and FedCom. Sarah Hey's essay left me confused.<BR/><BR/>I guess I've been leaning more toward the FedCom than the ConCom position for several years now. I realized after the 2003 General Convention that sooner or later either my parish would have to leave TEC or I would have to leave as an individual. <BR/><BR/>However, prior to joining my present parish I spent several years outside TEC at a nondenominational church. I found out the hard way that being nondenominational doesn't necessarily guarantee biblical orthodoxy.<BR/><BR/>I'm glad my parish made its choice and joined CANA. And, to be honest, if AMiA affiliation had been offered as an option, I would have been fine with that as well. At least I'm no longer affiliated with a denomination which is clearly going down the wrong path. <BR/><BR/>I'll keep this Friday's hearing in my prayers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-17441467531232705242007-08-07T20:22:00.000-04:002007-08-07T20:22:00.000-04:00Well said Mary. It is frustrating at times as you ...Well said Mary. It is frustrating at times as you have stated bugt yet we keep trying. but I feel the time has or is coming to make a decision.<BR/>Art+Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com