tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post1330252552823396369..comments2024-03-27T08:46:54.369-04:00Comments on BabyBlueOnline: 815 UK?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-8413728328513911282008-02-02T23:37:00.000-05:002008-02-02T23:37:00.000-05:00I'm wondering about your use of "denomination." T...I'm wondering about your use of "denomination." There is certainly an Anglican tradition, but it not a worldwide "church," which the term "denomination" implies.<BR/><BR/>My understanding is that it is not an international "Church" in the same sense that the Roman Catholic Church is. Rather it is a "Communion" of national churches. National Church is the very foundational concept of the Church of England.<BR/><BR/>The Anglican Communion is more like the Lutheran World Federation, a cooperative communion of local and national churches which similar and related history. (Even though, due to language differences among immigrant groups in the U.S., there developed several parallel jurisdictions on this continent, most of which have merged into two church bodies.)<BR/><BR/>BTW, locally and colloqually, persons may have referred simply to "The Diocese," I'll bet that it's official, corporate name was something like the "Episcopal Diocese of_______."<BR/><BR/>~PaulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-26055388708417944372008-02-01T22:09:00.000-05:002008-02-01T22:09:00.000-05:00Sounds like they reaffiliate with with the parent ...Sounds like they reaffiliate with with the parent diocese until there is lots of booming growth in TEC, with new churches being established to warrant a new diocese being formed (those who want to stay in TEC do not have the capital to start a new diocese - they are going to have to start all over if they want to have a Diocese of Fresno or something). The Episcopal Church after all is downsizing, it's loosing members and churches by the bucketfull and it might be wise for Episcopal churches to return to their parent dioceses - and in this case I guess that's the Diocese of California. El Camino Real is not far from Fresno either - but things haven't actually been yippy/skippy there either. <BR/><BR/>Pretending that there isn't division isn't going to make it go away. At some point - and perhaps it's not this generation of TEC leadership - but perhaps it will be the next generation now in their 30s and 40s who will be realistic and see the red ink on the wall.<BR/><BR/>Unless, of course, TEC comes back from the brink. One never knows. The door should always be open for the possibility of a re-evaluation of what the PB identifies as "current mission strategies." Even Starbucks is re-evaluating - they too forgot that they are primarily in the business of selling the experience of <I>coffee.</I><BR/><BR/>One thing, though, the Diocese of San Joaquin has not left the denomination, it's leaving for another province, not another denomination. <BR/><BR/>You know what may happen next? If current trends are any clue - I could see 815 making the claim that the Episcopal Prayer Book is Intellectual Property and claim that Anglican parishes using the TEC Prayer Book (as mine does) in their worship services are stealing their property and sue them for that as well. <BR/><BR/>Watch that space. Autocracy is not pretty.<BR/><BR/>bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-12697779125937598732008-02-01T21:11:00.000-05:002008-02-01T21:11:00.000-05:00What about the folks and the churches that decided...What about the folks and the churches that decided NOT to break with the Episcopal Church? What diocese are THEY in? They DO exist. What should we call them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-62851133543422317272008-01-31T20:53:00.000-05:002008-01-31T20:53:00.000-05:00In the old days, before the Troubles, we did not c...In the old days, before the Troubles, we did not call dioceses "Episcopal." In Virginia, we just called the diocese The Diocese. There's no "Episcopal" probably because it had full control of the franchise. Roman Catholics would call it the Episcopal Diocese, usually to differentiate it from the Roman Catholic dioceses because they are actually two different denominations.<BR/><BR/>But this is not the case with the Diocese of San Joaquin - as we now see that the correction has been made to the Anglican Communion website.<BR/><BR/>The Episcopal Church belongs to the denomination called Anglican. The American exclusive affiliate - until the Troubles - was the Episcopal Church. Now we have our crisis. But it's still all one denomination. We have had a division.<BR/><BR/>Now many of us may want to keep spinning away, pretending there is no division. But that does not change the fact that there is ONE Diocese of San Joaquin. Only one. It's now joined another branch of the Anglican denomination, the Southern Cone.<BR/><BR/>bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-54045163639016303592008-01-31T13:03:00.000-05:002008-01-31T13:03:00.000-05:00Yes, anonymous. The Episcopal Diocese of San Joaqu...Yes, anonymous. The Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin, by the words of +J-DS and his Primate, ++Venebles, is no longer occupied (in the episcopal sense) by +J-DS; it is vacant. The Anglican Diocese of San Joaquin, by their own words, has the cathedra filled by +J-DS. The ACO is about as confused as, well, that very bishop's [former? the one that made such a hash of what Province he is in?] PR and "crisis management" firm.<BR/><BR/>Summation:<BR/>Province: The Episcopal Church<BR/>Diocese: San Joaquin<BR/>Bishop: Vacant<BR/>Province: Southern Cone<BR/>Diocese: San Joaquin<BR/>Bishop: John-David Schofield<BR/><BR/>Padre WayneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-30423251396890148572008-01-30T16:09:00.000-05:002008-01-30T16:09:00.000-05:00If the good Bishop has left for Southern Cone, isn...If the good Bishop has left for Southern Cone, isn't the "Episcopal" Diocese of SJ vacent as opposed to the "Anglican" Diocese of SJ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-2228470628431932422008-01-30T09:45:00.000-05:002008-01-30T09:45:00.000-05:00Like magic! I wonder which Episcocrat was dealing ...Like magic! I wonder which Episcocrat was dealing with this - is it the same one who has been going beserk on Wikipedia?<BR/><BR/>LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-28146754942825099942008-01-30T09:06:00.000-05:002008-01-30T09:06:00.000-05:00...."Pay no attention to that woman and her lawyer......."Pay no attention to that woman and her lawyer behind the curtain. I am Kearon, Master of the ACO and all that it commands (so long as I do what the Purple Haze Witch and her Shyster wish)."....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-85095374488101090472008-01-30T08:10:00.000-05:002008-01-30T08:10:00.000-05:00Do have to wonder about who works for who there at...Do have to wonder about who works for who there at the ACO. Thanks for the update, br. That must have been some phone call.<BR/><BR/>bbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-68952765668157370152008-01-30T07:56:00.000-05:002008-01-30T07:56:00.000-05:00They fixed it, sorta. +Schofield is back on the we...They fixed it, sorta. +Schofield is back on the webpage, although he is (gasp) inhibited. Sooo... we can expect him to join the ranks of the disappeared when he's 'deposed' by TECHOB? And what will they plan to do with the utterly inconvenient website of DioSJ, which shows a lively diocese with a lively bishop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-89663984213876534882008-01-30T07:44:00.000-05:002008-01-30T07:44:00.000-05:00"The Claaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw. The Claw is our master. T..."The Claaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw. The Claw is our master. The Claw chooses who will go and who will stay."<BR/><BR/>"I have been chosen! Farewell, my friends! I go on to a better place!"Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00261766465382455822noreply@blogger.com