tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post1133503401449028362..comments2024-03-27T08:46:54.369-04:00Comments on BabyBlueOnline: The Future of AMiA: Is the AMiA’s New “Missionary Society” structure the best way forward?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-43277445601556482062011-11-10T10:48:19.529-05:002011-11-10T10:48:19.529-05:00With the litigation winding down, and the losses m...With the litigation winding down, and the losses mounting, this kind of fracture - and the kind between CANA and ACNA - are going to be more common.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-60145147064584536932011-11-08T14:00:07.017-05:002011-11-08T14:00:07.017-05:00Wow Kevin, sounds like we have had similar AMiA ex...Wow Kevin, sounds like we have had similar AMiA experiences. I got fired from church council via letter and when I called my network coordinator to discuss the local church conflict and a need for outside mediation, I was told they could not discuss it with me.<br /><br />It's kind of funny how various AMiA parishes have the priest's family members on church council, etc. I found it to be very much an expat Episcopal church "old boys" network.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-14571781738135041472011-11-07T15:13:07.518-05:002011-11-07T15:13:07.518-05:00Robin G Jordan,
Please remember I am a cranky ex-...Robin G Jordan,<br /><br />Please remember I am a cranky ex-parishioner and do not judge merely on what I say.<br /><br />However, I really do not think the Washington Statement has anything to do with your issues. At least without being the largest hypocrites in the World. When I had issue, I tried to reason from Scripture but was told "we have priest and bishops to do that." [Great appeal to a magisterium]. Also one of my many great crime was "no respecting my high office!!!" - Never-mind two Scriptural references forbidding that or the fact I agreed he had a high office, our disagreement was over if he were fulfilling it. <br /><br />Long/Short - you may also express valid concerns, but I don't think that what it is about unless they favor a congregationalist approach where presbyter is his own personal pope.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00261766465382455822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-68817472854963178422011-11-07T13:10:24.517-05:002011-11-07T13:10:24.517-05:00To get a better look at the larger picture, see my...To get a better look at the larger picture, see my article, "Rumors of Anglican Mission – Anglican Church of Rwanda Split Point to Other Serious Problems." Go to: http://anglicansablaze.blogspot.com/2011/11/rumors-of-anglican-mission-anglican.html. I have posted a number of articles relating to the rumored split, the concerns Dan Claire, Chuck Colson, and Tommy Hinson express in their letter, the changes in the Anglican Church of Rwanda's canons AMiA Canon Kevin Donlon drafted, AMiA Chairman Chuck Murphy approved and recommended to then Rwandan Primate Emmnaul Kolini, and which Archbishop Kolini in turn recommended for adoption to the Rwandan Provincial Synod, and for endorsement and promulgation to the Rwandan House of Bishops, and the ramifications on my web site. As more details become available, I will post them. I have good reason to believe that there is much more to these developments than people in the ACNA and the AMiA realize. They have long-term implications for the North American Anglicans' relations with the African Anglicans. They have shown the Africans that even conservative North Americans cannot be trusted!Robin G. Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09511384478845569163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-37250787421796616652011-11-07T13:05:49.906-05:002011-11-07T13:05:49.906-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Robin G. Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09511384478845569163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-70218694884844138242011-11-04T22:26:42.085-04:002011-11-04T22:26:42.085-04:00Connoisseurs of Chuck Murphy's ego may appreci...Connoisseurs of Chuck Murphy's ego may appreciate Nick Ziegler's (former Chancellor of the SC diocese) account of his (Murphy's) treatment of Bishop Salmon, who was recently installed as dean and president of Nashotah House, at the 1997 South Carolina diocesan convention. The incident is reported almost exactly half way through <a href="http://accurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2010/03/south-carolina-case-study-in-how-to.html" rel="nofollow">this account</a>, reported by Anglican Curmudgeon.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-148947616556345692011-11-04T16:02:50.218-04:002011-11-04T16:02:50.218-04:00Hi BB!
RE:"includes the laity over important...Hi BB!<br /><br />RE:<i>"includes the laity over important matters that affect the people in the pews."</i><br /><br />I could not agree with you more!<br /><br />However, while unsure how AnglicanTV got word of this, I can say with some certainly that Ido not think the Clair+, Colson+, Hinson+ letter was written for public consumption. Since Google messed up my comment, wanting me to log in again, I'll take it as warning from the Lord to keep it brief and merely say that I did not find those parishes very open to lay discourse and even have a tight reign over hand picked governance. Other proof, but maybe why the last comment hung-up, so just whoever told AnglicanTV probably wanted a public discourse but I'd be very surprised if it was the same as the authors of the letter -- that was probably like the PECUSA HoB/D listserv type of stuff, not quite meant for public consumption. <br /><br />Per AMiA press release ... wow ... that's a lot of words. They must be pissed. Whatever charges one may have against me, I never took it public (this is probably the most info I've said outside of few friends and it still does not reveal specifics other than a parishioner had issues with a presbyter, big deal, that's pretty common place), so the behind the door conversations must be very interesting.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00261766465382455822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-27341183564933551562011-11-04T13:49:50.771-04:002011-11-04T13:49:50.771-04:00Besides Chuck Murphy's colossal ego and Thad B...Besides Chuck Murphy's colossal ego and Thad Barnum's anti-institutionalism one can't discount Keven Conlon's prior ordination and training as a Roman Catholic priest and especially his education in RC canon law. So Colsen's limited experience in Anglican isn't the only limited experience weighing in on this brouhaha.The Rev Canon Dr David Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09878281384587956210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-56460995557698789272011-11-04T11:59:01.627-04:002011-11-04T11:59:01.627-04:00Oh this is rich, BB! I understand this at so many ...Oh this is rich, BB! I understand this at so many different levels.<br /><br />I should first confess a log in my eye, Colsen+ very new to Anglicanism and I'll say is NOT a convert, but merely got a job, and brought his old ecclesology with him and we've had some difficulties that had me wanting to go to a bishop (oddly since one retired it would have been +Murphy) but deciding to just leave. I'll not go into too many details, but I'll say, if I use his own words, he'd have no business signing this letter.<br /><br />However, God is wonderfully gracious. Sure why I left was human sin (mine and others), but I am so thankful I am out. <br /><br />My commentary is that +Thad Barnum was one that strongly opposed AMiA's move to ACNA. There is a AnglicanTV clip that will give hints publicly about this but a lot from personal interaction. Oddly, the Lord seem to have sent three from Truro to Dan+ in about the same time '07-'09. In this time there seemed the Lord using three to push for a greater unity, one with more influence even connected +Minns to visit Dan+, I unsuccessfully suggested an invitation to +Guernsey (45 minute drive away) to attend an ordination service. Also seemed to be a feedback loop in revealing issues back to you, sometimes I was dismissed, however the one that ended up with +Bena emailing his cell phone # still freaks me out. Oddly, when two of us seems either called out or lesser role just about the same time that AMiA made its decision be remain distinct from ACNA.<br /><br />So on that note I'll say I find two issues a tad hypocritical in Dan+'s letter. First is the point #6, what I observed from the inside, there was little interest in forming a greater unity with ACNA, very much a desire to remain in their own dominion. Second bit is the use in Dan+'s justification of Article 34, "Of tradition not repugnant to Scripture," while true the first sentence does put cannon law subservient to Scripture, Dan+ does not continue to show how whatever he is mad about is in violation to what part of Scripture. Second is Article 34 is actually for us laity to hold presbyters accountable, in fact I had to use it with Colsen+ and told I was not allowed {odd). So again if a signatory wants to use it, he should first submit unto it.<br /><br />I could go on and on about the irony of this, however, "in a multitude of words, sin is not absent." Since this letter is public, I believe a public reply on two inconsistencies is acceptable. <br /><br />I actually have little complaint against Dan+, except maybe his quick diagnostic of someone having trouble with authority and wondering if maybe its not him who is leading by example and others reflecting back (that same true for Colsen+, Tommy+ is a signatory, but I know a few area where he'd might disagree and overall one of the nicest people you could meet).<br /><br />Kevin <br /><br />---<br /><br />FYI Chuck Colsen+ has NO relations to the founder of Prison Fellowship, other than a shared name.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00261766465382455822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-26754974149691347842011-11-04T11:45:58.165-04:002011-11-04T11:45:58.165-04:00Inevitable, when you you look at the conflicts tha...Inevitable, when you you look at the conflicts that were papered over to form a united front.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-49424573920436419092011-11-04T09:07:25.812-04:002011-11-04T09:07:25.812-04:00Stopped by to mention Conger's Church of Engla...Stopped by to mention Conger's <i>Church of England Newspaper</i> piece, but "anon" has beaten me to it. Here's a <a href="http://geoconger.wordpress.com/2011/11/03/growing-pains-for-acna-the-church-of-england-newspaper-nov-4-2011/" rel="nofollow">direct link</a>, though.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23327221.post-46041975388448936772011-11-04T02:29:05.872-04:002011-11-04T02:29:05.872-04:00BabyBlue - the turmoil among orthodox Anglicans is...BabyBlue - the turmoil among orthodox Anglicans is distressing. The very recent report on ACNA and Nigeria coupled with this is worrisome. <br /><br />What's your take?<br /><br /><br />Here's the ACNA report: http://geoconger.wordpress.com/2011/11/03/growing-pains-for-acna-the-church-of-england-newspaper-nov-4-2011/ <br /><br />Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com